Drew hunter, justyn knight, Grant Fisher

How France? wrote:

The 10k American record is 27:48 by Nenow & Lagat. This is road racing in which times will obviously be slower.

Talent runs everywhere. On the road and the track, Or are you not considering Cheptegei & Rhonex Kipruto a talent? All of the big names have run road 5ks and/or 10ks. You don't seem like a true fan of the sport.

Why do you keep bringing up road races? It is a FACT that the equivalent track event ALWAYS has more depth than the road event (under 10k obviously).

How could you possibly disagree with this?

Hunter signed as a pro in July 2016 ; debuted as a pro in early August 2016... He’s been running as a pro for just less than 4 years, not the 5 you’ve stated.

Doesn't matter. Road races are more interesting to me. They don't have the depth since there are so many more being run but there have always been the fastest guys in the world gunning for as fast time as possible or trying for a WR on the road. I mean this was even Gebreselassies goal over 15 years ago.

I'm just not sure why you are equating road race PRs to tracks PRs. Especially since Gressier ran that 13:18 5k all by himself. That was easily a 13 flat effort in a DL type track race.

I disagree but fair enough. I find track more exciting.

So do you think that Cheptegei's 12:51 was worth 12:33 on the track?

paul72 wrote:

you forget? wrote:

Correct. Don't get why you would ignore the faster Mcgorty?

Also you mention Mo Ahmed. As fast as he is he is not as fast as Kincaid.

I don't think so--Mo got a WC bronze last fall---sure Kincaid had a great time trial last summer, but hasn't shown results in big races yet...

Lol. Wait. So what you're saying is that because Ahmed got a bronze he is faster than Kincaid even though he has a literally slower time? What a warped world some live in.

They’re both 12:58 guys and Mo has run under 27 for 10k

Amory wrote:

I disagree but fair enough. I find track more exciting.

So do you think that Cheptegei's 12:51 was worth 12:33 on the track?

Well the 12:51 is a ridiculous time. Just like the 26:38 10k.

No, Cheptegei wouldn't get the benefit of being pulled for 5000 meters. He could get 12:40 though.

Gressier on the other hand would get in a formation for an entire race and just sit behind someone for 5000 meters and get a fantastic PR. Just like Mo Ahmed did in Roma last year.

Dunno ur obsession with Gressier...kinda odd really. Anyways...

Knight

1:52

3:36

7:46

13:09

Gressier

1:54

3:37

7:53

13:23

Road times are just not reliable. Fluctuations in surface, cornering, hills, etc. just make it not standard like tracks are. Course could be short or flat. That being said Knight right now is a 1500/5000 guy and Gressier is a 5000/10000 guy..not the same athletes. That also being said, the man from Up North has better Pr’s at the moment. The last time Knight ran a 10k was 2016 and his 13:09 converts to a 27:21.

ANYWAYS...Knight has a ton of room to improve, so do Fisher and McGorty. Tons of American talent in the NCAA right now too. Good times are coming for American distance running

You are a funny person.

On one end you say Knight is a 1500/5000 guy and Gressier is 5000/10000 guy then you proceed to compare 800 times.

No times are reliable. Track times can vary greatly due to weather conditions and the pacing.

You also don't know at what stage of training someone is or if they had a recent injury.

Gressier has not yet run a fast paced DL race as Knight has. If he did I can assure you he would be 5-6 seconds faster than him. Gressier is actually the one that didn't take running seriously until last year. He has a lot more upside than Knight.

Why Gressier? He caught my attention at he XCs. Noticed he's very good and someone I would be interested to follow.

The Future of North American 5k wrote:

Man BTC is doing something right! Grant Fisher 13:11 for 5k last night as the bowerman rookie. certainly much to come from him in the future. Justyn Knight ran 13:09 last year as well, probably the next great talent up North besides Mo Ahmed. Drew Hunter coming back from injury still sitting with a 13:21. It’ll be interested to see how this year unfolds for the three of them.

Senior year PRs mile/3200

Fisher 3:59.38/8:53

Hunter 3:57.81/8:43

Knight 3:59.57 /8:59 (converted from 8:23 3k)

PRs as of July 1, 2020.

1500/3000/5000

Fisher 3:39.6 7:39.99 13:11

Hunter 3:35.9 7:39.85 13:21

Knight 3:36.07 7:45.86 13:09

Drew is 1 year younger than the other two

One Norwegian household could crush these guys in 3k/5k, pick again.

you forget? wrote:

Correct. Don't get why you would ignore the faster Mcgorty?

Also you mention Mo Ahmed. As fast as he is he is not as fast as Kincaid.

He said “up north” great as in Canadian. Kincaid isn’t Canadian.

you forget? wrote:

paul72 wrote:

I don't think so--Mo got a WC bronze last fall---sure Kincaid had a great time trial last summer, but hasn't shown results in big races yet...

Lol. Wait. So what you're saying is that because Ahmed got a bronze he is faster than Kincaid even though he has a literally slower time? What a warped world some live in.

Mo has hardware kincaid does not.

Mo ran sub 13 in a real race kincaid did not in fact Mo paced kincaid perfectly for like 11 laps lol.

Mo would take the lead of his national championship.

Kincaid would NEVER.

They are not in the same category man.

Also why does it matter a big deal if someone goes to school and they are 17,18,or 19 so much with you guys. College doesn't have age limits anyways. Why is that so hard to understand

WinnytheBish wrote:

fact czech wrote:

They both graduated at 18, as the overwhelming majority of high schoolers do. I don’t understand why this is so difficult for LRC posters.

Letsrun is obsessed with the exact ages of people.

I know. Who cares?!

A few people who have run really fast at young ages:

Jim Ryun

Alan Webb

German Fernandez

Mary Cain

Very short professional careers.

westsouthrunner wrote:

you forget? wrote:

Lol. Wait. So what you're saying is that because Ahmed got a bronze he is faster than Kincaid even though he has a literally slower time? What a warped world some live in.

Mo has hardware kincaid does not.

Mo ran sub 13 in a real race kincaid did not in fact Mo paced kincaid perfectly for like 11 laps lol.

Mo would take the lead of his national championship.

Kincaid would NEVER.

They are not in the same category man.

Also why does it matter a big deal if someone goes to school and they are 17,18,or 19 so much with you guys. College doesn't have age limits anyways. Why is that so hard to understand

One of the great objective things about track and field is times. Your argument about medals and who would take the lead is silly and irrelevant.

Obviously you can run a fast time in a minor race or win a major race with a slow time, but the time you run over a set distance is pretty hard to argue. The clock doesn’t care who you are or what’s at stake.

You don’t have a better chance to be national champ just for leading part of the race.

Who tf is Gressier hahahaha. I don't remember any Frenchies in the 5000m or 10000m at Worlds last year.

Yeah you are putting way too much emphasis on times. It's about beating the people lined up next to you. No one in their right mind would say that Kincaid is better than Mo Ahmed at 5000m.

I know your marathon is cancelled wrote:

I graduated and went to college at 17, and ran a 4:08 mile before turning 18.

I’m slower, but the same age situation. I was one of the youngest kids in my grade, year in and year out, across multiple elementary schools, middle schools and one high school. Waaaaaah Drew Hunter could lap me in a 3200! Waaaaah he’s an age cheat!

not banned wrote:

I know your marathon is cancelled wrote:

I graduated and went to college at 17, and ran a 4:08 mile before turning 18.

I’m slower, but the same age situation. I was one of the youngest kids in my grade, year in and year out, across multiple elementary schools, middle schools and one high school. Waaaaaah Drew Hunter could lap me in a 3200! Waaaaah he’s an age cheat!

It isn't so much him being an age cheat in that who should you compare him against. If you are 17 years 8 months old are you really that different than an 18 year old? Age range wise that is about zero. Class wise there is a difference (i.e. once kid has been in the system fro 4 years, the other 3).

Right now we are the at point where age isn't really a factor for any of them. They are all physically mature. They all have been training as a pro for a year+. They have hit the point where you need to stop talking about potential and start putting up results. Next year they will be pretty much hitting their prime for 5000m. Time to start making finals and being in contention on that last lap....

Hold on just a minute. Fisher has only been training as a pro for less than a year. Hunter's been training as a pro for 4+ years, and Knight 2+ years.

They aren't really the same in that sense. I would say Knight has been the most successful, followed by Fisher, taking into account the amount of time they've had to train as professionals.