What an 800: Five 142s!!! Amos wins in 1:42.45. 1:42.53 LIKE A BOSSE!!! -

When I said 2m I was talking about the last bend, moron.

I then stated 6m total. Not my problem you don't understand English.

And you're still wrong about 3.5m on last bend. Go get your eyes tested old man.

Are you really that thick?

A kick is an increase in speed at the end of a race. I a super fast 800 the winner is not the one who kicks but who slows down the least.

I am convinced you have never even run a sub-60 400 or you would understand how hard it is to run on the rail at that pace compared to farther out. Elite 800 runners at 50 seconds are closer to all-out sprint and are little more harmed by drifting wide in lane 1 than 400 runners are by drifting wide in their lanes.

Less force is diverted to centripetal acceleration and less forward lean and concentration are required when drifting wide. At sprint paces this makes up for any increase in distance. Ask Lashawn:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zfn3-nf2qDY

When the important thing is to maximize the force applied to forward motion, it's worth it to drift wide in your lane, as Merritt does through turn 1. As Amos did in turn 3. When the important thing is to cruise and conserve energy, then you stay on the rail, like a 5000 runner.

Bad Wigins meant:

less inward lean

Noir wrote:

You're not supposed to run even splits.

Says who? It this it an IAAF violation to do so?

I guess Borzakovskiy deserved several DQ's then. Who knew?

Lane 2 is 6.8m extra per lap. Since they start in lanes, that counts for an 800m as 6.8x1.5 if in lane 2 the rest of the way=10.2m.

Pretty hard to get to 8M extra if he wasn't in lane 2 on at least two of the turns. If he comes out wide on the last bend, but is not in lane 2 around most of it, he's only adding a minuscule amount @ diagonal vs. straight, which we saw in the old Alysia Montano thread, added a tiny amount even fading out to lane three or four.

Monaco has 38m radius turns. So then lane 2 is 7.67 meters additional distance per lap. This means Amos ran at least 3.8 meters farther than Rushida or Bosse from 600 meters. So it's about half a second he lost. I think he could have broken 1:42.

Captain Super Duper Obvious wrote:

Mr. Obvious wrote:

Why is Ventolin allowed to use this sort of language towards other posters?

I think that you know the answer.

So, why do you keep asking this question?

I've never received an answer to it. I am going to keep asking.

firts

amos pb was set with GW501516 as was rudisha.

kipeteter was loaded to gills with epo .

bosse has height and stride to trouble these guys.

no secrect to top 800m running now.

all about speed and IGF-1 LR3 .

dont think anybody under 1.44 is not on the stuff

simples .......

Then comes down to who has best endurance.

Mr. Obvious wrote:

Captain Super Duper Obvious wrote:

I think that you know the answer.

So, why do you keep asking this question?

I've never received an answer to it. I am going to keep asking.

OK. Sounds like a plan.

MarathonMind wrote:

Monaco has 38m radius turns. So then lane 2 is 7.67 meters additional distance per lap. This means Amos ran at least 3.8 meters farther than Rushida or Bosse from 600 meters. So it's about half a second he lost. I think he could have broken 1:42.

No it doesn't you idiot. He runs 90m of that last bend in lane 1 and only goes near the line as he approaches the straight to pass Rudisha. I've just looked at the race on a 40 inch HD tv, which shows Amos clearly enter the straight in lane 1 and he stays in it until the straight. 2 - 2.5m Max.

OK I looked a little more closely. He's all over the lane line for the entire turn and completely on the other side of it passing Rudisha. But you're correct in that he's not completely in lane 2 for the entire turn as I first said, so I'll reduce my estimate to a lost total of 0.25 seconds. But still, there is basically no way he wasn't compromised significantly by passing both runners for the entire 120 meters of the turn. He was never clear of either of them until the straight.

ISBN wrote:When I said 2m I was talking about the last bend, moron

clueless

it's a 800 race not 200 & 4 bends need analysing

I then stated 6m total

nonsense

it's 8m

watch properly

Not my problem you don't understand English

not my problem you only speak stoopid

And you're still wrong about 3.5m on last bend. Go get your eyes tested old man.

learn to watch properly

he is on lane 2 line thruout bend & well into lane 2 by the end

get your eyes & brain tested kid

nonsense

trivial rotational forces

drivel

they end up up running extra distance

nonsense

the centrifugals at 7 - 8 m/s are trivial

they shoud in no way force wide running

utter nonsense

that's just poor running

the fastest bend ever run before bolt/tyson was mj's 10.12 in his legendary 19.32

he had absolutely no problem with the bend at exorbitant speed & ran it virtually perfectly

utter nonsense

you stay in inner part of lane 1 a much as possible in a 800

Welsh Wizard wrote:No it doesn't you idiot

no

fool

watch properly

He runs 90m of that last bend in lane 1 and only goes near the line as he approaches the straight to pass Rudisha

utter rubbish

freeze frame shows at 1'43 of linked vid, not race, his L foot on lane 1 line, meanng his body is in lane 2

at 1'26.7 of race both feet in lane 2

he continues to run as wide/wider until end of curve at 1'31.2

I've just looked at the race on a 40 inch HD tv

some cheap knock-off from your poor analysis

which shows Amos clearly enter the straight in lane 1 and he stays in it until the straight. 2 - 2.5m Max.

utter complete drivel

he is in lane 2 from 1'26.7 until curve end at 1'31.2 & probably slightly earlier but Rudy's body blocks view

it was ~

3.5m

You really are a silly old fool. Get your eyes tested.

The stagger for 200m is 3.5m. It is measured 30cm from line separating lines 1 & 2. Amos does not run the entire bend 30cm in lane 2, therefore it is no where near 3.5m. Even from the side you can see clearly on a large screen that for majority of that bend he is in lane 1. You can fit 2 men running along side each other in a lane you know.

Just because you say it is 3.5m repeatedly, as you're too damn ignorant to ever aknowledge you're wrong, doesn't make it correct. It was more like 2m.

Welsh Wizard wrote:

You really are a silly old fool. Get your eyes tested.

The stagger for 200m is 3.5m. It is measured 30cm from line separating lines 1 & 2. Amos does not run the entire bend 30cm in lane 2, therefore it is no where near 3.5m. Even from the side you can see clearly on a large screen that for majority of that bend he is in lane 1. You can fit 2 men running along side each other in a lane you know.

Just because you say it is 3.5m repeatedly, as you're too damn ignorant to ever aknowledge you're wrong, doesn't make it correct. It was more like 2m.

To run 3,5m extra he would have to run the full bend 20cm inside lane 2. Also it's not clear to see where Amos exactly has run, it's obvious that it wasn't that wide for the full bend. Biggest part he still was in lane 1 and it's obvious that he hasn't run 3,5m extra, more like 2m, maybe little more.

I agree with your analysis. But I thought each lane's distance was measured 30cm from the inside? Is it 20cm for each lane then?

Cheers.

Welsh Wizard wrote:

I agree with your analysis. But I thought each lane's distance was measured 30cm from the inside? Is it 20cm for each lane then?

Cheers.

I don't know what you mean. For 3,50m extra distance, you have to run 110cm more wide than necessary. The ideal distance is measured 30cm from the curb, add 110cm to this, you have 140cm from the curb, which is 20cm inside lane 2 (the wide of a lane is 120cm).