Jordan Hasay Monaco DL

Money talks and suckers like you walk! Somehow along the way our education system never stressed the value of "doing something in your life" in order to get ahead.

Our education system is filled with a sorry state of progressive/liberal instructors who have never worked a days life in the real world, only to make their money on what they believe and "theory". How embarrassing is our educational system?

Sorry to get off the subject. With regard to Jordan, another PR tomorrow. For sure.

isrea; wrote:

Money talks and suckers like you walk! Somehow along the way our education system never stressed the value of "doing something in your life" in order to get ahead.

Our education system is filled with a sorry state of progressive/liberal instructors who have never worked a days life in the real world, only to make their money on what they believe and "theory". How embarrassing is our educational system?

Sorry to get off the subject. With regard to Jordan, another PR tomorrow. For sure.

Another PR? What ... A 15:25? Lol - get someone who won't be lapped. Someone who deserves to be in the race.

envirapod guy wrote:

noway wrote:

Hasay has the slowest PR of the field in the 5000m by 16 seconds. She should not even be in this field.

You are an idiot. That is like saying Emma Couburn shouldn't be allowed in a 15k because her PR is in the 16s. Hasay's PR is nowhere near her 10k mark.

Jordan Hasay's 31:39 is worth about a 15:14, and her recent 15:28 PR came one hour after running a 4:10 1500m. Not only that, in the US national championships she closed her 10k with a 15:35 last 5k split in miserable heat.

To say Hasay is in anything less than 15:14 shape is absolutely moronic! You are obviously a troll and I bit, so 10/10 for you sir.

While I do agree that Jordan is in sub 15:15 shape, it is worth noting that the woman with the 3rd slowest PR in the field (Betsy Saina 15:12) has run 8:40/30:57. The woman with the 2nd slowest PR (Mimi Belete 15:15) has gone 4:00/8:30. Jordan's off-distance PRs are not what got her into this race. Her coach/agent/name recognition are. I have no problem with this, but it is undeniably the truth.

Another PR? What ... A 15:25? Lol - get someone who won't be lapped. Someone who deserves to be in the race.[/quote]

And what makes this even more absurd, is that Monaco is *the* meet of all the DL's.

What would people be saying if Erin Finn (freshman with faster PR than Hasay) was racing?

Marketer wrote:

Another PR? What ... A 15:25? Lol - get someone who won't be lapped. Someone who deserves to be in the race.

And what makes this even more absurd, is that Monaco is *the* meet of all the DL's.

What would people be saying if Erin Finn (freshman with faster PR than Hasay) was racing?[/quote]

It would be comparable to Craig Lutz (about 14:05) running in Monaco. People would be laughing at him. It would be embarrassing big time when he is lapped - just like Jordan.

Mrr82 wrote:

ohmy wrote:

Erin Finn FRESHMAN has a faster 5000m time than Hasay...

Did she genius? Did she also run faster at 3k and 10k? If not then your point is a braindead pathetic attempt to put Hasay down. Hasay is for enough for a 15:10 at least. Maybe it'll happen maybe it won't. But it's pretty obvious and she should be allowed into meets off the basis of common sense and times in races over/under.

I don't care what happens tomorrow or what type of shape she's in, but point blank is that as of right now, a college FR, Erin Finn is faster than NOP profession runner Jordan Hasay over 5000m....

So would Erin Finn be able to get in to the DL Monaco meet if she applied? No, no connections, and there was probably a young Kenyan/Ethiopian woman who has run 14:55 or such and can't get into this meet...

IMO, this doesn't seem right, why not let the PR's speak for themselves?

But I guess this is what Track and Field and the Diamond League circuit has come to; where we reward connections over hardwork and PR's. Where money and good agents are the determining factor over the top races around the world

Oh please enough of Erin Finn already. If Erin Finn wants to run the diamond league than she had better turn pro tomorrow. Yes, she is good, but not "that" good. Enough please.

All the arguments on this board against Hasay seem to stem from her times. Her 15:28 time is no way in comparison to what she can actually run. All "knowledgeable" in the track and field world know this. She can run must faster.

sipieroperformance wrote:

Oh please enough of Erin Finn already. If Erin Finn wants to run the diamond league than she had better turn pro tomorrow. Yes, she is good, but not "that" good. Enough please.

Actually, she is better than Hasay. So if Finn isn't "that" good, then Hasay shouldn't be a pro. We are really sorry that you little fanboys get all butthurt because Jordan can't win races, and usually gets lapped or DFL.

Hasay is a brand name and attracts fans. Erin Fish is a no-name right now. In the years that Hasay has put into the sport and has branded her name, perhaps Fish over the years can catch up?

thirdspark wrote:

Hasay is a brand name and attracts fans. Erin Fish is a no-name right now. In the years that Hasay has put into the sport and has branded her name, perhaps Fish over the years can catch up?

Un, Erin doesn't need to catch up. She is already faster than Hasay. The no-name is better than Hasay.

Surely whenever Erin Finn does turn pro, she will announce at the press conference that she is looking forward to beating Hasay on a year-round basis.

All the young phenoms are probably thinking the same thing.

"The first pro runner I'll beat is Jordan Hasay."

Seems like someone closely related to Erin is taking this post personally. Ha!

coach d wrote:

There are no less than FIFTEEN American women that have run 5000 meters faster than Hasay THIS YEAR. I believe 3 of them are in Monaco meet. What about the other 12?

Why make a big deal about an also-ran? For sure, if she was living in Kenya rather than Oregon with that PB, she would not be getting into that meet.

She probably sleeps with the right persons.

isrea; wrote:Our education system is filled with a sorry state of progressive/liberal instructors who have never worked a days life in the real world, only to make their money on what they believe and "theory". How embarrassing is our educational system?

Sorry to get off the subject. With regard to Jordan, another PR tomorrow. For sure.

You're not sorry. If you'd actually paid attention to your lessons in the educational system you have just decried, you wouldn't have made multiple linguistic and grammatical errors in your post, and you would possess argumentative powers sufficient not to ask rhetorical questions. Instead, you attempt to denigrate "instructors" by asserting that they don't work "a days life" (?) (please come back and define that bit of stupidity for us) while concomitantly assigning them full blame for some undefined "theory" that they apparently impart to their students en masse.

You're an American moron. Your voting right should be suspended. There are smarter felons than you who, owing solely to their judicial convictions, cannot vote. I'm sorry to have to share the same country as you. When next you bemoan our shrinking status on the world stage, or our sad academic rankings, or our pathetic ratio of healthcare spending to outcomes, don't blame Obama: blame yourself and people like you.

proiria wrote:

Everyone talks about a brand name. If Jordan "passes gas" it will be on the boards.

If Jordan passes gas, that means she won't be in last place!

Again, if this whole thing is unbearable to you,put up your own huge chunk of cash and put on your own track meet. The organizers want to make money. when you are filling out the last couple spots you pick someone who adds interest.

In this case Jordan and Nike trump some gal no one has heard of

Again, if this whole thing is unbearable to you,put up your own huge chunk of cash and put on your own track meet. The organizers want to make money. when you are filling out the last couple spots you pick someone who adds interest.

In this case Jordan and Nike trump some gal no one has heard of[/quote]

How does the athlete with the SLOWEST seed add any interest to the DL?

Oh please enough of Erin Finn already. If Erin Finn wants to run the diamond league than she had better turn pro tomorrow. Yes, she is good, but not "that" good. Enough please.

All the arguments on this board against Hasay seem to stem from her times. Her 15:28 time is no way in comparison to what she can actually run. All "knowledgeable" in the track and field world know this. She can run must faster.[/quote]

Well we're talking track, of course the arguments against Hasay are going to stem from her times. If she can run "much faster", then why is she not doing it in these races? To date she has failed to do this, and until she can she should not be in such a field.

Bad Wigins wrote:

When the meet is part of a "league" where athletes are competing for overall points, NO, THEY DON'T have that right. Not if it's a legit league.

There are probably athletes with at least an outside shot at earning a DL point or two who would have run if they were invited. There are certainly athletes with no chance at all of earning points who were invited.

DL needs to formulate and enforce a fair system of entry standards. Such as current DL/WC champ, then everyone else seeded by position on the year's top list. Until then DL is a joke.

With your suggestion you would have long distance races full of African athletes, sprint races full of American/Jamaican athletes etc. That's not in anyone's interest. People want to see a mix of nations compete.