Some nonbinary runners are irate that Chicago Marathon's new nonbinary division isn't paying out prize money

Solve this craziness with these two categories:

- Open: Unrestricted, except for the condition that participants do not violate anti-doping regulations.

- XX: Restricted to people with chromosome type XX, who also abide by
anti-doping regulations.

A few things here:

1) Prize money does not have to be equal.

for example, Chicago open division gets $150k, wheelchair winner gets $25k, master winner gets $5000 and para winners get $1500. The thing here is that they give the same amount for men and women, So the complexity here is what do you do if you are a master non binary for example or wheelchair non binary or simply an open non binary. Solving that issue is beyond my SJW pay grade. Should prize money be equal between men and women in the first place (45% of participants in the open category are women so at least that’s pretty close to 50/50), so maybe it’s just that. I believe that 0.3% of the US population identify as non binary, so maybe the money split should be based on that. I’ll round it up to $500 for non binary winner (just a thought).

2) some good runners are non binary (Hiltz for example - no chance that they enter Chicago, but you know what I mean). What happens to them? Would they be a “fraud/cheat” if they try to enter the woman category to get more prize money? We know that they are non binary. Again I don’t have the solution to that.

The thing is that if you care enough to recognize non binaries as an actual category (not saying that you should or should not). You need to complete your thoughts and actions about the subject. Unfortunately there are ramifications and consequences whether you like it or not.

All of this may be moot anyway.

The most recently appointed Supreme Court justice could not define what a woman is because she is not a biologist.

This made me think.

If a Supreme court Justice cannot define or determine this, who am I to determine if I am a man or a woman?

Race organizers are asking this question on their race registration form. From what the Supreme Court justice said, pretty much everybody registering are not qualified to answer that question in the first place.

what to do? enter as male for my first race of the year, then woman for second race, then male for third…. Not answer question at all?

Looked in Webster dictionary to help me figure out what a woman is.

it is an adult person who has a gender identity which is the opposite of male. That looked helpful until I looked at the definition of male

a male is someone who has a gender identity which is the opposite of female.

Oops. I learned in grade school that you could not provide circular definitions.

That’s Webster saying they cannot define woman either.

What to do in my next race? I don’t want to be accused of cheating.

I guess I would just have to wipe my tears with that prize $$$

That is why you make the prize money proportional to the number of entries. Everyone pays $180 or so to enter. A percentage of that goes towards prize money (say 10%). That becomes the pot the people in that category compete for. It’s not that complicated.

Well my post was specifically about men who aren't good enough to get prize money in the men's category, so winning relatively less money in the non-binary division would still be better than winning no money in the men's division.

This idea is worse than the BroJos putting the Chicago preview behind a pay wall. If they're so concerned, go run in your true gender race. I mean Niki Hiltz identifies and something other than female, YET she enters the Oly Trials, Fifth Ave Mile, and every other race as a woman. Woke hypocrisy at it's finest.

This does not affect cis women who are competing in the women's division. If female non-binaries think this is a problem, then that's an issue to be sorted out within the non-binary category. If they want allies, I'd be more than happy to support them. Otherwise, I'd just stay out of their business.

That's not what she said. She knows she is a woman. She cannot tell whether someone else is a woman or not, because she is not a biologist. There are people with all kinds of DSD, and it's not her expertise to tell whether each one of them is a woman or not.

Those who are mocking her answer either don't know the complexity of human sex, or they are trying to erase people with DSD from public consciousness.

Calm yourself down Nikki/Nicholas Hiltz. You cannot change the world with 1 Pride 5k

Almost like she knows she belongs with women.

Sex and gender literally isn’t hard to figure out. You and the woke mob are just living a privilege life and creating new and creative problems that make no sense. And the normal people are annoyed.

No, she was asked to define what a woman is. She couldn't do it, or she refused to.

This response is correct. Dedrdr over-simplified what the topic was. There are DSD individuals and as far as gender identification goes, there are legitimate reasons an individual might self-identify differently from their sex. Conservatives love to use these wedge issues for political reasons. Keep for focus on competitive sports, because that is the area where biological sex is not us for grabs.

Of course, she could not define what a woman is. She is not qualified to do that. That's her point.

Can you?

Sorry but I thought we *weren't* supposed to do this? I thought it was *discriminatory* to create a non-binary/trans division because there weren't enough people to compete in it? That's why trans women HAD to compete against cis women because *inclusion*

what is going on here?

The difference between sex and gender actually seems pretty difficult for a lot of you guys to figure out.

The privileged population didn’t create this “problem.” The “problem” has existed for a long time, and some people are attempting to handle this “problem” in a more humane way than we used to.

These things tend to change generationally. Young people are more accepting of transgender people then their elders, but they still have a long way to go. I think it’ll be another 20, 30, maybe 40 years before trans people reach the status that gay people have reached now.

You have to remember that tons of social progress has been made in the last 100 years. People used to think it was crazy that we started allowing women to vote. Now those people are dead.