Official 2017 NYC Marathon Discussion Thread

Truth teller!! wrote:

lollerama wrote:

Are you new here? That's what we do for every marathon. It's tradition.

Been here since the beginning. Doesn´t make it any better.

Well, the coverage is really painful. It's hard to comment on the race or be excited when you're missing huge parts of the key moments, and it's MUCH more common for races to miss breaks than show it. That's really awful, and kind of incredible it doesn't improve.

It also makes it hard to talk about the race, because when guys are just rolling 5:10s there isn't really much to say. "Another slow mile, lead pack still together with large numbers". What else is there to discuss? Then stuff hits the fan, and we don't see it so you invariable get a few comments like "Hey Kamworor's winning" mixed in with the logical "Oh thats cool, but too bad we don't know what he did to get there"

Zeus 111111 wrote:

Abdi does not get much attention.

I agree. A member of all four U.S. Olympic teams from 2000 to 2012, and a member of the U.S. team in three world championships. From 2000 to 2008, he made six out of seven Olympic and world championship 10,000m finals. His road-racing career has had its ups and downs, but over a decade after he ran 2:08:56 in Chicago, he's still going head-to-head with some of the best runners in the world. I hope that he continues his distinguished career for some years to come.

How did you do on your predictions?

Mary Keitany, coming off her stunning 2:17:01 marathon in London in April, is gunning for a four-peat in New York at the 2017 TCS New York City Marathon and she is a heavy, heavy favorite according to the voters in the LetsRun.com Running Warehouse Prediction Contest.

As of 6pm on Saturday, an amazing 95.2% of the voters in the prediction contest are picking Keitany to win. Only 3.1% of voters are picking Edna Kiplagat, winner in Boston this year and runner-up at the World Champs, to come out on top.

The LetsRun.com faithful are also picking Keitany to crush the 2:22:31 course record set by Margaret Okayo in 2003, as the average winning time predicted for Keitany is 2:21:54.4 with 60.5% of voters predicting Keitany will break the course record. The media winning time, 2:21:23, was over a minute faster than the current course record.

If you haven’t entered the Running Warehouse Prediction Contest you can do so here.

http://www.letsrun.com/news/2017/11/mary-keitany-heavy-heavy-favorite-new-york-city-marathon-60-fans-thinking-shell-break-course-record/

...LRC experts do it again

http://www.letsrun.com/news/2017/11/shalane-flanagan-wins-2017-new-york-city-marathon-1st-american-winner-40-years/

I saw posts about people forgetting the men's race was on or they didn't care.

Celebrate Shalane's win, but respect the other runners too. I was happy she won, but I also wanted to see Kamworor and Kipsang do battle. I wanted to see the top american in the men's race too.

But what do you expect from twitter? It bring's out the worst in people.

I'm sure that Kipchoge is happy for Kamworor, but that was Kipsang in the race. How many people are going to call him Kipchoge?

xcvxcvxcv wrote:

I'm sure that Kipchoge is happy for Kamworor, but that was Kipsang in the race. How many people are going to call him Kipchoge?

Don't really understand this post. Nobody is calling Kipsang Kipchoge.

Kipchoge was in the crowd on hand to watch and congratulate Kamworor.

xcvxcvxcv wrote:

I'm sure that Kipchoge is happy for Kamworor, but that was Kipsang in the race. How many people are going to call him Kipchoge?

Kipchoge was at the finish line and was shown celebrating with Kamworor

Do we know Mary's excuse yet?. 2:17 runners who have an off day run 2:21, maybe 2:22 for slower course. Something else was up. Appearance $ for training run? Sick? Even without peds she is good for low 220's.

Darkhelmet wrote:

Do we know Mary's excuse yet?. 2:17 runners who have an off day run 2:21, maybe 2:22 for slower course. Something else was up. Appearance $ for training run? Sick? Even without peds she is good for low 220's.

Please remind us how many 2:17's you have run? 2:21? 2:22? What's YOUR excuse?

Considering that Keitany's 1:05 half marathon is 15:25 5k pace/30:50 10k pace, and Flanagan's pr's are 14:44(old AR) and 30:22 (old AR), I don't think that Flanagan could beat Keitany in a 5k or 10k at their best. But Keitany knew that she was allowing a lot of people into the race by leaving it so late. I can't help but believe that the performances of Rupp and Hasay (and maybe also people like our steeplers and other distance medalists the past year plus) had something to do with the confidence that Flanagan felt here.

Abdi would be my favorite marathoner to hang out with and have a beer.

xcvxcvxcv wrote:

I'm sure that Kipchoge is happy for Kamworor, but that was Kipsang in the race. How many people are going to call him Kipchoge?

No one did that, dumb dumb.

I hope this convinces Kam to quit the track and start running marathons full time.

Darkhelmet wrote:

Do we know Mary's excuse yet?. 2:17 runners who have an off day run 2:21, maybe 2:22 for slower course. Something else was up. Appearance $ for training run? Sick? Even without peds she is good for low 220's.

Ha.

2;21s in New York??? That has never been run before ..LOL

Mary's fastest New York time is 2:24 I believe, so today's bad time in a slow race makes sense.

Dude, come on. Your information is way way off.

El Keniano wrote:

I hope this convinces Kam to quit the track and start running marathons full time.

Kamworor is pretty talented. I'd really like to see him take a crack or two at going under 26:30 (or better). He might have that in him.

Truth be told his run today didn't really wow me. Certainly good running, but not eye popping. Others left it slow and he's a good track guy.

GBohannon wrote:Shalane covered 35k to the finish (7.2k) in just under 23 minutes. Sub-16 5k pace. 2:14 marathon pace

can we put an end to this nonsense that flanagan won this because of superior 10k speed

she ran 30'22 over 9 ago & there was no meat to come off that bone

Mary earlier this year when finishing 2nd in arab 1/2M in 65'13 after an opening ~ 15'37, then went 15'27 to split total thus far of 31'04

then Peres & Mary split for next 5k a 15'24 & finally a 15'10 !!! when Mary cracked

so Mary after already 31'04 in her legs then split a ~ 30'34 between 10 - 20k !!!

that is a quantum leap better than flanagan's fully rested 30'22pb from 9y ago

Mary that day was undoubtedly ~ 30-flat on the track & this was just earlier in year

she lost today definitely not because of inferior 10k basic speed but some undisclosed illness/injury or perhaps not handling the conditions well albeit i can't believe conditions were worse than that 1/2M earlier in year, so it likely comes down to injury/illness & also Mary has won this race past 3y in times each time much faster than flanagan, over 2'00 on occasions, & i'd be surprised if conditions today were worse than all of last 3 editions of the race...

Yep. I agree.

That was my first thought when the announcers were talking about it being a mistake for Keitany to leave it late. All I could think is Keitany has closed London in 30:xx or right around 31:00 before.

Weird silence wrote:

Why was there so much noise about Chicago being slow yet even though this NYC was almost 2 minutes slower barely anyone mentions that is was slow. What gives?

Are Kaworor, Desisa, amd Kipsang Class D runners? where does this put them on the top 1000 list for the marathon?

Because this is a much tougher course than Chicago. Use your brain.

Weather Guy wrote:

The humidity took it's toll on runners today.

Dew point is 49-52 during the race, that is not very 'humid' in the way that matters, especially with overcast skies that limit the direct radiation (also, November in NY has low sun angles reducing radiation effects).

05 10:51 E 9 8.00 Overcast OVC010 56 52 87% NA NA 30.26 1023.9

05 09:51 Vrbl 7 10.00 Overcast OVC014 57 50 78% NA NA 30.28 1024.5

05 08:51 E 5 10.00 Overcast OVC017 56 49 77% NA NA 30.29 1024.9