casual obsever wrote:
she was already flagged with a suspicious ABP in March 2016, then willingly chose NOP
interesting. link?
also interesting if NOP knew about that when they chose her.
I find Hassan's speed less believable than Dibaba's merely on the basis of terrible form vs perfect form.
wejo wrote:
Great, great run.
When Cram said she was ahead of WR pace with a lap to go I couldn't believe he then discounted her chance of the record as she was flying.
I haven't looked at the Worlds schedule but dont' see why she should run the 10k.
10000m has not had qualifying rounds in numerous years. Time qualify for 10000m and just race. In 1500m & 5000m, numerous women with similar 800m speed as Sifan Hassan. Pretty much the same reason why Mohammed Farah chose racing 10000m over 1500m in W.C. and Olympics even though Farah was a relatively faster 1500m runner than 10000m runner.
Bad Wigins wrote:
casual obsever wrote:
she was already flagged with a suspicious ABP in March 2016, then willingly chose NOP
interesting. link?
That was the infamous IAAF Likely Doping List, with Farah and Rupp being Likely Dopers. Hassan was less suspect than those two. Now she is training with Rupp and Konstanze, who also made a leap forward.
https://www.letsrun.com/news/2017/07/say-aint-fancy-bears-hack-reveal-many-track-fields-biggest-stars-likely-doping-see-latest-fancy-bears-documents/Bad Wigins wrote:
casual obsever wrote:
she was already flagged with a suspicious ABP in March 2016, then willingly chose NOP
interesting. link?
also interesting if NOP knew about that when they chose her.
I find Hassan's speed less believable than Dibaba's merely on the basis of terrible form vs perfect form.
Looks like Fancy Bears had nothing on Hassan.
I love how rumors start.
a reason for 10000m wrote:
wejo wrote:
Great, great run.
When Cram said she was ahead of WR pace with a lap to go I couldn't believe he then discounted her chance of the record as she was flying.
I haven't looked at the Worlds schedule but dont' see why she should run the 10k.
10000m has not had qualifying rounds in numerous years. Time qualify for 10000m and just race. In 1500m & 5000m, numerous women with similar 800m speed as Sifan Hassan. Pretty much the same reason why Mohammed Farah chose racing 10000m over 1500m in W.C. and Olympics even though Farah was a relatively faster 1500m runner than 10000m runner.
Not so sure about this, Mo was virtually invincible over 10,000m. In London 2017 he waved to the crowd, jogged about for the first 7k and still won easily in 26:49 without any pacing. His two fast 1500s were in Monaco.
osm wrote:
wejo wrote:
Great, great run.
When Cram said she was ahead of WR pace with a lap to go I couldn't believe he then discounted her chance of the record as she was flying.
I haven't looked at the Worlds schedule but dont' see why she should run the 10k.
Thing is that nobody in the 10k can touch her unless Ayana turns it around, while she'd have to deal with Dibaba and Kipyegon both in form in the 15. Also I believe the 15/5k double at Worlds is impossible this year, so she has to do 10k/5k if she wants to double.
Amazing that her range goes from 1500 to the half at the same time. Other athletes in history have graduated and changed training but Hassan is the first, I believe, to do it all in the same year. I was surprised by Caroline Kipkirui last year who hammered the half in the winter then competed at a very high level down to 3000 in the summer but this is next level.
SprintTriathlon wrote:
No discus.
Mile.
LMAO!
jhand366 wrote:
wejo wrote:
I haven't looked at the Worlds schedule but dont' see why she should run the 10k.
I was thinking the same. Although as someone else said, she has a ridiculous amount of strength, too, and would probably have a good chance at winning the 10k. I agree, but it'd just seem crazy if the woman that just broke the mile WR skipped the 1500!!!
The reason to skip it won’t be the 109 less metres to travel.
Subway Surfers wrote:
a reason for 10000m wrote:
10000m has not had qualifying rounds in numerous years. Time qualify for 10000m and just race. In 1500m & 5000m, numerous women with similar 800m speed as Sifan Hassan. Pretty much the same reason why Mohammed Farah chose racing 10000m over 1500m in W.C. and Olympics even though Farah was a relatively faster 1500m runner than 10000m runner.
Not so sure about this, Mo was virtually invincible over 10,000m. In London 2017 he waved to the crowd, jogged about for the first 7k and still won easily in 26:49 without any pacing. His two fast 1500s were in Monaco.
Manaco or not, Mohammed Farah is the only 3:28.xx 1500m man not to attempt to race 1500m in either Olympics or World Championships. Farah's reason for not racing 1500m at W.C. and Olympics would be the same reason Hassan would choose to not race 1500m at World Championship, 2019. That was the gist of my previous post.
mooonshot wrote:
Looks like Fancy Bears had nothing on Hassan.
I love how rumors start.
? It says there Hassan, passport suspicious, 15/03/2016.
Why "nothing", what rumor?
Compassionate hearts beat stronger
Compassionate minds are wiser
Brave like Gabe
my favorite part is where she is HOLDING THE DOPING right on the screenshot on the letsrun front page and still no-one has noticed
what you think just because they don't look like the vaporflys in the store they aren't ?
look again, and again, they sure as heck aren't matumbos or victory
all they had to do was take off 1 second per lap, AlSal must be laughing like mad right now
Aussiestatman wrote:
osm wrote:
Thing is that nobody in the 10k can touch her unless Ayana turns it around, while she'd have to deal with Dibaba and Kipyegon both in form in the 15. Also I believe the 15/5k double at Worlds is impossible this year, so she has to do 10k/5k if she wants to double.
Amazing that her range goes from 1500 to the half at the same time. Other athletes in history have graduated and changed training but Hassan is the first, I believe, to do it all in the same year. I was surprised by Caroline Kipkirui last year who hammered the half in the winter then competed at a very high level down to 3000 in the summer but this is next level.
Mary Decker was ranked number 1 in the world from 800m to 10000m all in the same year. So it’s not totally unusually. Farah was insane from 1500m to 10000m.
Unfortunately, they are all connected to big AL!
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How can I find the splits for this race? I want to compare them to the splits from Dibaba's 3:50 and get an idea of whether or not Dibaba could have broken the record had she run 109 meters farther.
What were the splits from Dibaba's 3:50 race?
malmo wrote:
wejo wrote:
Great, great run.
When Cram said she was ahead of WR pace with a lap to go I couldn't believe he then discounted her chance of the record as she was flying.
.
Look at the splits.
400 UKR LYAKHOVA Olha 1:04.26 1:04.26
800 UKR LYAKHOVA Olha 2:08.20 1:06.94
1200 NED HASSAN Sifan 3:10.13 1:01.93
Which means she ran the final 409m in 1:02.20
https://monaco.diamondleague.com/programme-resultats-monaco/#baseFrame#__athDisciplineRoot#DisciplineInit#Monaco2019_TIMING_ATW016101_json##main-frame_content#__athRun#RunSubFrame#Monaco2019_TIMING_ATW016101_json
casual obsever wrote:
mooonshot wrote:
Looks like Fancy Bears had nothing on Hassan.
I love how rumors start.
? It says there Hassan, passport suspicious, 15/03/2016.
Why "nothing", what rumor?
+1
Exactly and did you see the notes on target testing?
The shoes she raced in and many other Nike athletes raced in are 100 % unreleased and not “readily available to all competitors”. Unfortunately that is against the IAAF rules ?♀️
Illegal world record wrote:
The shoes she raced in and many other Nike athletes raced in are 100 % unreleased and not “readily available to all competitors”. Unfortunately that is against the IAAF rules ?♀️
“Rule 143: Clothing, shoes and athlete bibs
- Any type of shoe used must be reasonably available to all in the spirit of the universality of athletics. Shoes must not be constructed so as to give athletes any unfair assistance or advantage.”
^Direct quote from the IAAF rule book. Wether the shoes gives the athletes an unfair assistance or advantage is debatable. However I have not seen a single website or store have the Nike shoes the athletes have raced in. I think this goes against the rule that “any shoe type must be reasonably available to all in the spirit of universality of Athletics”
I don’t think the shoes not being available to everyone is “reasonable”
bartholomew_maxwell wrote:
How can I find the splits for this race? I want to compare them to the splits from Dibaba's 3:50 and get an idea of whether or not Dibaba could have broken the record had she run 109 meters farther.
Do you really need to see splits to confirm Dibaba could have run 109 m farther at 5:20 mile pace? She probably was under 4:12 as she went on her victory lap!
