What an 800: Five 142s!!! Amos wins in 1:42.45. 1:42.53 LIKE A BOSSE!!! -

Prior to this race, most of the discussion revolved around Rudisha, Aman, and Amos...Also Kaki and Solomon. Maybe 1% mentioned anything about Bosse. Oh wait, why is that? Because he is white?

Is it any wonder wrote:

Didn't Amos win and isn't he younger than Bosse?

Oh wait. He's black and this is Letsrun so we don't care about him.

Amos was already a star, Bosse was relatively unknown. At least nobody thought he was a world beater.

Is it any wonder wrote:

Didn't Amos win and isn't he younger than Bosse?

Oh wait. He's black and this is Letsrun so we don't care about him.

Amos has already run 1:41.73 so a 1:42 is less surprising than Bosse's time. Bosse was a shock, though people don't seem to have noticed the huge jump Cheriyut just made!

Tim Wise is Tribal wrote:

[quote]bluemt95 wrote:

What's all this crap about a "great white hope"!! Listen boys and girls, I'm as white as they get, but this is pure racism. If you're a white American (or any nationality), but your cheering for a French guy SOLELY because he is WHITE, that's racism and makes me sick.

But it's ok to cheer for any non-white simply because they're non-white, correct?

WTF? How does the mind of a racist work? The "logic" is insane. Because someone points out -- quite accurately -- that to root for a stranger over other strangers solely because he is white and they are not is indeed racism. Not the most virulent kind like you would have seen in Alabama in the 1930s or do see in today's Israel. But racism nonetheless. How you spin this into the assertion that the commenter must therefore feel it is okay to for any non-white to cheer for any non-white simply because they're non-white is the mystery. One would need to tunnel into your brain and bring Sigmund Freud to figure that one out.

Mark Hansen wrote:

Is it any wonder wrote:

Didn't Amos win and isn't he younger than Bosse?

Oh wait. He's black and this is Letsrun so we don't care about him.

Amos was already a star, Bosse was relatively unknown. At least nobody thought he was a world beater.

Yes, that must be it. Racism has nothing to do with it. Even thought the original poster made it quite clear that it did.

Cronje wrote:PIERRE-ABROISE BOSSE with a 1:42.53 nation record right behind Amos!!!

We have a new player in the 800!

And a new great white hope!!!

i have promulgated coupla theories for long time that

- 800pbs for lotta elites are p!ss-weak as most all 1'43pb guys don't attack 400 - 600

you gotta shoot for 76-flat to chase 1'42+

still, bosse's drop from 1'43.7 to 1'42.5 was mild surprise

- talent pool of 800 is much inferior to 1500

tables based only on maths

( no stats lists comparison/physiology/etc - just maths worth of numbers )

indicate

1'44.00 = 3'32.00

1'43.50 = 3'31.06

1'43.00 = 3'30.13

1'42.93 = 3'30.00

...

1'42.75 = 3'29.66

1'42.50 = 3'29.19

1'42.25 = 3'28.72

1'42.00 = 3'28.25

800 needs better talent & that talent has to run better race

Mark Hansen wrote:

Is it any wonder wrote:

Didn't Amos win and isn't he younger than Bosse?

Oh wait. He's black and this is Letsrun so we don't care about him.

Amos was already a star, Bosse was relatively unknown. At least nobody thought he was a world beater.

This. This was a 1.23 second PR for Bosse. Amos had his day when he set a huge PR too.

Out of curiosity how does Bosse rank among white 800 meter runners? He must be one of the best ever with this time

Swag Lord wrote:

Out of curiosity how does Bosse rank among white 800 meter runners? He must be one of the best ever with this time

Coe obviously first, Cruz, Borzakovskiy barely ahead of him, Andre Bucher and Rødal barely behind him. All Olympic gold medalists except Bucher who was a WC gold medalist.

Amazingly Nils Schumann, the 2000 Olympic champ, never broke 1:44...

I think it's also significant he was second place and close to winning in a global final-caliber field.

Swag Lord wrote:

Out of curiosity how does Bosse rank among white 800 meter runners? He must be one of the best ever with this time

Nice troll! Ha ha, out of white runners? I'm sure you know the 800 and that whites have been at the top much of the time (recently--olympic champions 1996, 2000, 2004) Coe had his record broken only in 1997 by Kipketer. There have since been only two other non-whites barely better than him.

Seems Bosse has potential to go below 1:41 though, so we'll see.

Sounds like you are agreeing with my point ... Are you replying to someone else? If not, then maybe you should reread my earlier posts.

what the hell? wrote:I'm sure you know the 800 and that whites have been at the top much of the time (recently--olympic champions 1996, 2000, 2004)

err...

'96 only because kip was not allowed to run in games because of politics

he wouda crushed the field if in atlanta

Coe had his record broken only in 1997 by Kipketer. There have since been only two other non-whites barely better than him

nonsense

kip split suicidal 23.0/48.3 in his 1'41.24

physics says if he'd gone 24.0/49.5 that day, his expected time wouda been

~ 1'40.5

Seems Bosse has potential to go below 1:41 though, so we'll see

no chance

he's wildly exceeded likely career pb

no serious improvement until improving gait

he looks more of a 400 guy stuck in a 800

ventolin^3 wrote:

what the hell? wrote:I'm sure you know the 800 and that whites have been at the top much of the time (recently--olympic champions 1996, 2000, 2004)

err...

'96 only because kip was not allowed to run in games because of politics

he wouda crushed the field if in atlanta

Coe had his record broken only in 1997 by Kipketer. There have since been only two other non-whites barely better than him

nonsense

kip split suicidal 23.0/48.3 in his 1'41.24

physics says if he'd gone 24.0/49.5 that day, his expected time wouda been

~ 1'40.5

Seems Bosse has potential to go below 1:41 though, so we'll see

no chance

he's wildly exceeded likely career pb

no serious improvement until improving gait

he looks more of a 400 guy stuck in a 800

I'm gonna assume he meant 1:41.xx aka below 1:42, not below 1:41.

But if his gait is really that bad he should have potential to grow.

ventolin^3 wrote:

Seems Bosse has potential to go below 1:41 though, so we'll see

no chance

he's wildly exceeded likely career pb

no serious improvement until improving gait

he looks more of a 400 guy stuck in a 800

Are you sure about that? Bosse is young and improving every year. He would have run even faster here had he not get boxed in with 200 to go. He runs with a lot of confidence.

No way he is just a 400 guy. He's very good at the 1,000 as he showed with his 2:15 recently beating Aman in the process.

Even with his awkward gait, you don't think he can bring down his PR at least 1/2 second by 2015?

Future seems pretty bright for him.

Hate to Say It Butt wrote:

hulksmash wrote:

wtf happened to Solomon?

In over his head

It's too late in the season for Solomon. He likes to run fast in April. It's Johnny Gray training.

Is it any wonder wrote:

Mark Hansen wrote:

Amos was already a star, Bosse was relatively unknown. At least nobody thought he was a world beater.

Yes, that must be it. Racism has nothing to do with it. Even thought the original poster made it quite clear that it did.

Oh OP is racist as can be, don't get me wrong. But the reason many people are talking about Bosse now is because he's relatively unknown. At the Olympics a lot of people were talking about Amos.

great race.

rudisha.

great great run.

142 solo really so he's made the comeback and is poised for 141, which i suspect more than meets the season's goals.

message to coach. if rudisha is going to follow a pace maker for 400m, do it right. he's too far back to draft. it's amateur and stupid. corrective action. run 200-400m repeats following his pacemaker close in practice until it is "natural"

otherwise if amos improves, he drafts properly all the way to 100m out and to win rudisha will have to be 10-15 meters better just to win.

aman was full of run in the straight, and would have been the man in a 1K race.

amos continues to improve, there is no reason (apart from injury) that he won't threaten the WR.

progression of Bosse , Pierre-Ambroise ? he has a sebastian coe type progression, somehow i missed that. guy looks like jim ryun. guy looks pretty comfortable at speed....

french report

http://www.iaaf.org/athletes/france/pierre-ambroise-bosse-256590#progression

idea of 400 flat speed.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xx90aj_pierre-ambroise-bosse-moscou-600m-1-15-63_sport

I was replying to the Tim Wise is Tribal Post which you can see.