This thread was initially entitled, "Kara Goucher + Boston Marathon Controversy" . 4/20 update The BAA has issueda statement herethat amongst other things "we did not deliver on our promise to make it a great day for everyone".
I thought Lauren Fleshman's IG post provided a good rebuttal to this sentiment. White folks get defensive in these types of conversations and respond quickly with "well they did X, Y, and Z." It's like instead of listening to what communities of color are telling us, we spend all of our time trying to justify police behavior so that we can continue to think that racism doesn't affect everyday life for non-white folks.
Everybody does stuff like this spectating the Boston Marathon. But not everyone gets the same response. The response to this group was more intense than it needed to be. The number of officers called in would have been much lower if this were a white group, if they were even called in at all. Neighbors that called the police on them aren't calling the police on white spectators.
So many on here search for justification of police behavior any time something like this happens. Why are you doing that and who does it serve? Just listen to experiences that are different from your own.
I think you're late to the party, sir or madam, and none of what you or Lauren have said adds to the conversation, it's just excuse-making after the fact. It doesn't matter if lots of groups were doing the same thing (prove that, if you don't mind)... was this group doing something it shouldn't have done? If so, enfocement is to be expected. Same as my dad said to me once when I complained about being pulled over when ten other cars were also speeding in the same stretch of road.... "but you were speeding, right?"
It's also standard lefty operating procedure to do exactly what you and Lauren are doing, which is to ignore the fact that the OP misinterpreted the situation as being racist and that there is no proof any response was racially motivated, and instead go off about generalities about racialized police enforcement historically or anecdotally, and how we all need to "listen to lived experience" etc. We did listen to the video maker's "lived experience" and we decided that he was massively misinterpreting what the police did, after we looked at the evidence available. The problem ultimately with "listen to (insert group)" is that it really means "believe (group) uncritically when they talk," and no group deserves that privilege. I'm sure he legitimately believed he had been the subject of racism at the time he posted, but we all misinterpret things and we also can't discount the influence of a heavily racialized national discourse and the constant insistence by the left that everything everywhere all the time is racism, racism, racism. In that environment of course some black dudes are going to misinterpret things. I feel sorry for the guy, honestly I do. I really don't like the police that much, I think the job attracts a lot of people who love power and like to use their position to screw with people just for fun. However, I do not see that this occurred here. They jumped rope barriers on purpose. They HAD to know enforcement of the rules was possible, and it's no excuse to say other people might have done the same thing.
Great take.
Even a few liberals I know (whom are big BLM supporters) think the group was out of line. Rules are rules! If I was running and someone shot a confetti cannon at me it would distract me and throw me off my rhythm. I think the police were 100% in their right to do this.
I also bet (and I could be wrong and if I am, I'll own it) that the police gave them fair warning and let things slide for a bit until it got to be too much.
I ran it and don't remember any part of the course where people jumped in and ran with runners.
The loudest spots had barriers where people couldn't get on the course - Wellesley had barriers as far as I can remember so the people on the sideline could not get on the course. Around half way people were hitting the sideline barriers and making lots of noise. It was super loud.
The last few miles were really loud and there looked to be a few places people could cross the road but they had people monitoring them and had them to cross at certain times.
I wasn't paying close attention and could be wrong, but I don't think there was any section where people were jumping on the course who weren't running. I do remember one guy jogging backward near maybe just before 12 miles probably trying to find someone to run the second half, and he was very noticeable since it was so rare to see someone on the course.
I heard in the old days through Wellesley they had people cheering on both sides and it was narrow through that section but they kept everyone on one side now.
I am assuming you mean the Scream Tunnel? I assumed they always had people on both sides.
I felt that it was appropriate to have Kara in the title of the thread because the initial posts were talking about her take on the situation. Part of the discussion is about the misuse of social media to virtue signal and act as a truth-teller without actually knowing what occurred. It is humorous that someone like Kara would get on their pedestal to preach about what is or is not ok. It would not surprise me in the least if she were behind changing the thread title. It was not "sexist" in the least, though I a bet that was part of her complaint.
My take on the situation is that there are probably too many police there (maybe just because so many were out and about for security reasons), but the party was clearly and aggregiously in violation of race rules. It's also selfish to rush onto the course for your team's runners with little regard for the other people who are trying to make the most of months of hard training.
This Alison person was making Instagram posts about the Boston Marathon being racist in the week leading up to the race. She has been making a living off of the death of Ahmaud Arbery, so it's no small wonder she would identify racism at the event. Like many grifters, she does the very things she accuses others of doing, namely, profiting off of the suffering of the people she claims to be helping or "giving voice to."
I have no idea about the details, but it would not suprise me if at least a few people in the party intentionally provoked a police overreaction so they could use it as ammunition. This is a common strategy in contemporary activism. People need to wise up and stop taking the bait. These tactics are female relational aggression at scale. The ingredients are emotional manipulation, passive and coded aggression, reputational damage, and the use of shame and mandated virtue signaling to demand compliance. This is where people like Kara and Lauren come into the picture. There are lots of upper-middle-class white women driving the takeover of mainstream culture and institutions by emotionally-unstable grifters and psychopaths. Women are more receptive to claims of harm and victimization, and on a cynical level, they're more conscious of their reputations and may be more likely to publicly agree with ideas they don't actually support. To this end, I understand why people are criticizing KG and LF.
Very astute posts. Even blogsnark (healthy living influencers blogsnark subreddit) mentions white female privilege when it comes to running and the running media shaping narratives of how they want messages delivered.
If you're woke but NOT WOKE ENOUGH you're not good enough, is their message...
Women value reps and networks even more than men, whom are more likely to say "who cares?" or "IDGAF" to some of this...that is an advantage and disadvantage. Men can let things roll off their back in some cases better, but women also know social capital/currency/gossip and can use that to their advantage.
Feminism is actually a rock-solid idea (no sarcasm) but it only benefits a *very* small subset of the female population--educated elite women. Not the average woman trying to make it through the day and support/help her family, IMO.
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Pretty sure the only reason Kara is even reposting this is because the Alison person has been retweeting her book left and right and has been on panels. It's all about them book sales.
It's all about fame-chasing now....social media + wokeness + fame = security. Damn the principles or the actual truth (somewhere in the middle, to be fair).
I'd love to for someone to prove Desir wrong. To her credit she at least has run some marathons and is ok for someone w/no running background (I know some said she hasn't run any). But all this crap tarnishes her name IMO.
100% that's what they are implying at least... as long as your group has majority "POC" representation. Remember folks, its racist to hold POCs to the same standard of behavior as the rest of us, the left says we just have to let them do whatever they want because they can't help it.
I heard in the old days through Wellesley they had people cheering on both sides and it was narrow through that section but they kept everyone on one side now.
I am assuming you mean the Scream Tunnel? I assumed they always had people on both sides.
Through Wellesley people are only on one side now. They are behind a barrier.
you don't even need to know the context. Just hearing the guy's whiny ass voice is enough for me. It's literally like listening to an angsty 13 year old complain about how life, their parents and the universe is SO UNFAIR. I don't know how anyone with a brain can take this seriously.
At the NYC marathon the course officials are laughably authoritarian, yelling at people on the course for having one foot on the street instead of the sidewalk, etc. Give a marathon volunteer authority to tell people what to do and they think they are General Milley on a major mission to save an endangered platoon.
Sounds like the volunteers got sick of their orders being ignored by this crew and went to the po-po.
Obvi there is a line that should not be crossed by fans - they really can't be running onto the course. But on the other hand things will take care of themselves and the volunteers need to relax more.
Have you noticed that a certain part of the population has to make everything about skin color and being a permanent victim?
kara goucher needs to go crawl in a hole and disappear. We don’t want to buy your s h ! t t y book, stop trying to stay relevant.
I think Kara is doing it partially to stay relevant and in the conversation. There are plenty BIPOC people out there that probably would actually agree this is overblown--they just don't get media coverage!
Did anyone see Kara Goucher share from Twitter yesterday with a group of Black fans being surrounding by officers at the Boston Marathon? A lot of people were outraged, but a few folks have rationally pointed to the need for more context outside a 1-minute clip. Wondering what folks here think about Kara boosting the video.
Have you noticed that a certain part of the population has to make everything about skin color and being a permanent victim?
kara goucher needs to go crawl in a hole and disappear. We don’t want to buy your s h ! t t y book, stop trying to stay relevant.
I think Kara is doing it partially to stay relevant and in the conversation. There are plenty BIPOC people out there that probably would actually agree this is overblown--they just don't get media coverage!
Race grifter Desir also kind of put her in at least an imagined corner by tagging her and asking her to amplify it, pulling on the string of their recent association at the book talk. Kara undoubtedly felt that it was safer to do so than not, fearing the potential backlash, though Desir is obscure enough it might literally just have been her raving at Kara though there is always the danger of something like that going viral. (See Desir’s subsequent tweet about how you can’t just be an ally when convenient, which I certainly take as a second message “at” Kara, Lauren, etc. who were named in the first tweet, without naming them in the second.)
I felt that it was appropriate to have Kara in the title of the thread because the initial posts were talking about her take on the situation. Part of the discussion is about the misuse of social media to virtue signal and act as a truth-teller without actually knowing what occurred. It is humorous that someone like Kara would get on their pedestal to preach about what is or is not ok. It would not surprise me in the least if she were behind changing the thread title. It was not "sexist" in the least, though I a bet that was part of her complaint.
My take on the situation is that there are probably too many police there (maybe just because so many were out and about for security reasons), but the party was clearly and aggregiously in violation of race rules. It's also selfish to rush onto the course for your team's runners with little regard for the other people who are trying to make the most of months of hard training.
This Alison person was making Instagram posts about the Boston Marathon being racist in the week leading up to the race. She has been making a living off of the death of Ahmaud Arbery, so it's no small wonder she would identify racism at the event. Like many grifters, she does the very things she accuses others of doing, namely, profiting off of the suffering of the people she claims to be helping or "giving voice to."
I have no idea about the details, but it would not suprise me if at least a few people in the party intentionally provoked a police overreaction so they could use it as ammunition. This is a common strategy in contemporary activism. People need to wise up and stop taking the bait. These tactics are female relational aggression at scale. The ingredients are emotional manipulation, passive and coded aggression, reputational damage, and the use of shame and mandated virtue signaling to demand compliance. This is where people like Kara and Lauren come into the picture. There are lots of upper-middle-class white women driving the takeover of mainstream culture and institutions by emotionally-unstable grifters and psychopaths. Women are more receptive to claims of harm and victimization, and on a cynical level, they're more conscious of their reputations and may be more likely to publicly agree with ideas they don't actually support. To this end, I understand why people are criticizing KG and LF.
I have noticed that a certain part of the population (several LR message board posters) have to make everything about skin color as evidenced by the multiple threads a day on Chicago. This certain part of the population never seems to tire of this obsession, which is clearly not born of a desire to provide any constructive analysis of the problem/s. Very disturbing.
Did anyone see Kara Goucher share from Twitter yesterday with a group of Black fans being surrounding by officers at the Boston Marathon? A lot of people were outraged, but a few folks have rationally pointed to the need for more context outside a 1-minute clip. Wondering what folks here think about Kara boosting the video.
What are Demographics of, Boulder and Flagstaff. (Hint, not a whole lotta black people).
Spot On!
Yeah Right? From her home in the Lily White neighborhood in the ghetto of Boulder, CO she pontificates her role as the world's greatest runner mom, wife, abused childhood poster girl, tv commentator, whistler blower of NOP and Alberto, book author, and NOW...civil rights activist. Holy Sh^t!!! does she EVER stop talking out of her A**? The problem is that some of what she says is relevant, but then she puts her foot in her mouth and delegitimizes herself.
My take on the situation is that there are probably too many police there (maybe just because so many were out and about for security reasons), but the party was clearly and aggregiously in violation of race rules. It's also selfish to rush onto the course for your team's runners with little regard for the other people who are trying to make the most of months of hard training.
This Alison person was making Instagram posts about the Boston Marathon being racist in the week leading up to the race. She has been making a living off of the death of Ahmaud Arbery, so it's no small wonder she would identify racism at the event. Like many grifters, she does the very things she accuses others of doing, namely, profiting off of the suffering of the people she claims to be helping or "giving voice to."
I have no idea about the details, but it would not suprise me if at least a few people in the party intentionally provoked a police overreaction so they could use it as ammunition. This is a common strategy in contemporary activism. People need to wise up and stop taking the bait. These tactics are female relational aggression at scale. The ingredients are emotional manipulation, passive and coded aggression, reputational damage, and the use of shame and mandated virtue signaling to demand compliance. This is where people like Kara and Lauren come into the picture. There are lots of upper-middle-class white women driving the takeover of mainstream culture and institutions by emotionally-unstable grifters and psychopaths. Women are more receptive to claims of harm and victimization, and on a cynical level, they're more conscious of their reputations and may be more likely to publicly agree with ideas they don't actually support. To this end, I understand why people are criticizing KG and LF.
Very astute posts. Even blogsnark (healthy living influencers blogsnark subreddit) mentions white female privilege when it comes to running and the running media shaping narratives of how they want messages delivered.
If you're woke but NOT WOKE ENOUGH you're not good enough, is their message...
Women value reps and networks even more than men, whom are more likely to say "who cares?" or "IDGAF" to some of this...that is an advantage and disadvantage. Men can let things roll off their back in some cases better, but women also know social capital/currency/gossip and can use that to their advantage.
Feminism is actually a rock-solid idea (no sarcasm) but it only benefits a *very* small subset of the female population--educated elite women. Not the average woman trying to make it through the day and support/help her family, IMO.
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What a joke that Kara Goucher was taken out of the title. There was already a separate thread on the police issue. This thread was about Kara's reaction. Criticism of her knee jerk reaction without any context has nothing to do with sexism.
Does Rojo really think if Ryan Hall or Alan Webb posted the same tweet as Kara that there wouldn't be the same level of criticism? Come on now.
What baffles me is that Desir spends the entire week talking about how racist the Boston Marathon is on her Instagram, devotes a whole chapter of her book to it, and then the BAA invite her to speak at their expo. Dear BAA - stop pandering!
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