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HardLoper wrote:
It makes no noticeable difference and it's greatly exaggerated by the camera angle.
So, from lane 1 to lane 2 on a standard track you lose 7 metres or, at the pace you run 10km, some 2 seconds per lap. And you think that doesn't make any noticeable difference when those guys were, at times, wasting more than those 7 metres on one turn alone???
Educate yourself, LimpLoper:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llfcZUyTJGAmy thought is Baysa didn't want the leaders to see her so she stayed in the shade on the other side of the road where she would be less visible. She probably knew that Tsegaye knew she was coming (they train together). And Tsegaye kept looking behind her, but it didn't seem like she could really pick out Baysa. .
Tony Julianelle wrote:
Checking the results from NY for that race, looks like your name is Geoff.
Superb running for a 44 year old but it seems that you came in second among 44 years olds; some 44 year old ran a 2:31.
Yup, that's me. As for the even faster 44 year old that year, I definitely noticed that.
Since a couple of people seem bemused (or amused) by an old guy on this board, here is my best Oldtimer's story. In Feb. 1973 when I was living and teaching/coaching in Miami, I ran the West Valley Marathon in San Mateo CA. A few weeks later I got a call from Jack Leydig, the race director, who was active in the AAU and a 2:25 marathoner himself. He said that he and three other guys were flying to Bogota for a meet and had an overnight layover in Miami. Could I find them a place to stay. I said sure and asked who the other guys were. Frank Shorter, who had won gold in Munich 6 months before, Jon Anderson, who ran the 10,000 in Munich, and Jim Johnson, who was one of the top 2-3 American steeplechasers. They arrived in late April. Ten days after Anderson won Boston. So I had the reigning Olympic and Boston champs staying over night. And in the morning, before taking them to the airport, we ran a 10 miler on the bike path to Matheson Hammock (for those who know Miami). On the way Shorter commented to Anderson, I see you toe in with your left foot like I do. And I was really tempted to report that anecdote to Runners World. Could have crippled a whole generation of joggers. Might have ended the Running Boom before it ever took hold. Today? I would, of course, post it anonymously on some running website with an active message board. If I could find one.
Gainesville/Miami guy wrote:
Tony Julianelle wrote:Checking the results from NY for that race, looks like your name is Geoff.
Superb running for a 44 year old but it seems that you came in second among 44 years olds; some 44 year old ran a 2:31.
Yup, that's me. As for the even faster 44 year old that year, I definitely noticed that.
Since a couple of people seem bemused (or amused) by an old guy on this board, here is my best Oldtimer's story. In Feb. 1973 when I was living and teaching/coaching in Miami, I ran the West Valley Marathon in San Mateo CA. A few weeks later I got a call from Jack Leydig, the race director, who was active in the AAU and a 2:25 marathoner himself. He said that he and three other guys were flying to Bogota for a meet and had an overnight layover in Miami. Could I find them a place to stay. I said sure and asked who the other guys were. Frank Shorter, who had won gold in Munich 6 months before, Jon Anderson, who ran the 10,000 in Munich, and Jim Johnson, who was one of the top 2-3 American steeplechasers. They arrived in late April. Ten days after Anderson won Boston. So I had the reigning Olympic and Boston champs staying over night. And in the morning, before taking them to the airport, we ran a 10 miler on the bike path to Matheson Hammock (for those who know Miami). On the way Shorter commented to Anderson, I see you toe in with your left foot like I do. And I was really tempted to report that anecdote to Runners World. Could have crippled a whole generation of joggers. Might have ended the Running Boom before it ever took hold. Today? I would, of course, post it anonymously on some running website with an active message board. If I could find one.
What an interesting story. Thanks for sharing it, and good health to you.
When I want to work on the track and use English units, an easy way to do mile reps is to run on the lane 1/lane 2 line...gives almost exactly a mile.
adbabns wrote:
HardLoper wrote:It makes no noticeable difference and it's greatly exaggerated by the camera angle.
So, from lane 1 to lane 2 on a standard track you lose 7 metres or, at the pace you run 10km, some 2 seconds per lap. And you think that doesn't make any noticeable difference when those guys were, at times, wasting more than those 7 metres on one turn alone???
Educate yourself, LimpLoper:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llfcZUyTJGA
If you are the "Geoff" I have in mind, then I agree with your views on health care.
Sounds like you were a heck of a runner. What are your PRs?
dlk wrote:
Is the OP [named] XXXX YYYY??
Is it really necessary that the OP be *exposed*???
outsiderunner wrote:
If you are the "Geoff" I have in mind, then I agree with your views on health care.
Sounds like you were a heck of a runner. What are your PRs?
You are "registered" so I presume/hope your commercial link was unintended. Certainly it has no connection to my views on health care.
As for those views, I think it should not just be oldtimers like me who get Medicare. Of course I also don't see the legitimacy of senior discounts. Seems to me the 14th Amendment guaranteed everyone - yes, even young whippersnappers - equal protection of the laws.
We should study the universal systems used in every other major First World country and choose what would work best here. For now, Obamacare seems clearly better than what preceded it since it covers far more people, which lessens the use by poor people of emergency rooms for primary care needs, keeps young people on their parents' plans longer, and prevents insurance companies from refusing to cover pre-existing conditions.
Sides of the roads on the course are a little broken up. not terribly, but in the smaller towns it can be an issue. and can cause unstable footing. Not worth tweaking the ankle.
I also noticed that Wellesley center was like a Mogul run. Very bumpy.
FTR, I beat you in that race.
Gainesville/Miami guy wrote:
Truly astonishing to see almost all of the elites failing to run the tangents.
Years ago, when Salazar's 1981 world best at New York was disallowed as a record since the course had been measured on the blue line and was a couple of hundred yards short, he claimed his time should stand since he said he ran the blue line. My reaction to that justification was that, if he did indeed run the blue line, he should lose the record for stupidity. I ran that New York and I was totally focused on the tangents - a major factor in Central Park. (Thus Salazar nipped me by a mere 24 minutes instead of 25. Every second counts, especially when you are, as I was, 44 years old.)
Gainesville/Miami guy wrote:
outsiderunner wrote:If you are the "Geoff" I have in mind, then I agree with your views on health care.
Sounds like you were a heck of a runner. What are your PRs?
You are "registered" so I presume/hope your commercial link was unintended. Certainly it has no connection to my views on health care.
As for those views, I think it should not just be oldtimers like me who get Medicare. Of course I also don't see the legitimacy of senior discounts. Seems to me the 14th Amendment guaranteed everyone - yes, even young whippersnappers - equal protection of the laws.
We should study the universal systems used in every other major First World country and choose what would work best here. For now, Obamacare seems clearly better than what preceded it since it covers far more people, which lessens the use by poor people of emergency rooms for primary care needs, keeps young people on their parents' plans longer, and prevents insurance companies from refusing to cover pre-existing conditions.
I did not provide any commercial link in regard to health care. It was just some key words that get auto-linked.
I am in favor on a universal system, such as you describe. That is what I was trying to tell you. I saw an article that, I thonk, was written by you.
Sorry for the typos--I stink at typing on an iPad (and in general).
Pierce Brosnan.
LardLoper wrote:
What is a tangent?
Gainesville/Miami guy wrote:
Truly astonishing to see almost all of the elites failing to run the tangents.
Years ago, when Salazar's 1981 world best at New York was disallowed as a record since the course had been measured on the blue line and was a couple of hundred yards short, he claimed his time should stand since he said he ran the blue line. My reaction to that justification was that, if he did indeed run the blue line, he should lose the record for stupidity. I ran that New York and I was totally focused on the tangents - a major factor in Central Park. (Thus Salazar nipped me by a mere 24 minutes instead of 25. Every second counts, especially when you are, as I was, 44 years old.)
true, now i have to adjust my calculations
In ideal Boston conditions, the best time is 2:03. todays race was won in 2:12.. best women's is 2:18, won in 2:29. according to my calculations, if they paved the road with Mondo track, and they ran in spikes, it would be 4 seconds faster per mile, 4 seconds for 26.2 miles, lets say we save 2 minutes.
proof: Leonard Komon ran 26 44 on the road. WR is 26 17. this is 27 seconds for road vs track, 10k. with 42k this is 27*4.2=113.4 sec
Heat was already calculated to be a constant 9-10 minutes delay (10 min for around 3 hr, 11-12 for 4 hr).
carbon dioxide and monoxide from the city and leading cars delay 1 sec per mile to the lungs. if the city did a pollution control, this would save 26 seconds on each mile. stop driving hummers and range rovers!
The winner is worth 2:00 flat! in ideal conditions. with tail wind we save 2.5 sec per mile (65 sec overall). this marathon was well worth a sub 2, in the range of 1:58-9 effort, given the ideal weather conditions, tailwind, pollution control 65 + 26+ 113 + 9 min = 12:24 saved
2:12:45 - 0:12:24= 2:00:21
given crowd hype, this would shed 1.7 seconds in the last half marathon. the crowd will realise they can break 2 if the split is just right. 1.7 * 13= 22.1 sec!
2:00:21 - 0:00:22.1 = 1:59:59!
not to mention if the city planted more greenery, more oxygen would be available. this could shed 0.5 sec per mile. proof: someone here ran 4:02 on the Oregon Michael Johnson Track, but ran 4:04 on a standard track.
not to mention, if they did EPO, and we assume Paula DID dope, we can use the Paula standard, assume 3 min faster (2:15 to 2:18) however, we cannot assume Paula doped, so we will cause this the "secondary pacing" method. that is, we have pacers pace the leaders in the second half
1:59:59 - 0:03:00= 1:56:59!!!
58 back to back halfs are doable, considering east africans go through the 10ks in 30 and 29s
now if we can only get a mondo track paved for 26 miles, abundant greenery, strict carbon emission laws, ideal temperature then we could have seen a sub 2 today. it was a sub 2 effort, but external conditions were not setup right.
since alberto alka seltzer ran 1 min faster than you, than todays boston effort could have been a 1:55:59 effort. with basic formula 1 race watching, these elites should be able to learn how to run tangents and turns, using some centripetal force relative to their mass.
Gainesville/Miami guy wrote:
Is that right? wrote:An 79-year-old? On here? Implausible.
"Only" 78 and 7 months. And some of us old guys are not ready yet for the nursing home or even the rocking chair. But the years - and decades of 50-120 mile weeks (yeah it varied a lot) - led to replacing both hips. So when I could no longer run with the kids whom I coached - and still wanted to set some sort of example - I did 60 push-ups on my 60th birthday. The kids counted them. But as I suggested, old guys don't necessarily lose all their marbles. So each succeeding birthday I have done 60 minus one more year. As I told the kids I will be satisfied if I can do 40 at age 80 and 20 at 100 (if I can count to 20 at 100....). So far I'm on track. Even did 42 again today, inspired by Boston and good memories of that course. My favorite. And if I do 20 in 2037 and can indeed still count that high, I will be sure to report it on this message board. :)
Respect, Sir!
Thanks for explaining about the "health care" link. And I guess just writing that means it will light up again. Can't win.
ole timer wrote:
FTR, I beat you in that race.
Gainesville/Miami guy wrote:Truly astonishing to see almost all of the elites failing to run the tangents.
Years ago, when Salazar's 1981 world best at New York was disallowed as a record since the course had been measured on the blue line and was a couple of hundred yards short, he claimed his time should stand since he said he ran the blue line. My reaction to that justification was that, if he did indeed run the blue line, he should lose the record for stupidity. I ran that New York and I was totally focused on the tangents - a major factor in Central Park. (Thus Salazar nipped me by a mere 24 minutes instead of 25. Every second counts, especially when you are, as I was, 44 years old.)
As did 228 others. Was it by a lot?
Gainesville/Miami guy wrote:
And if I do 20 in 2037 and can indeed still count that high, I will be sure to report it on this message board. :)
God, I hope this board doesn't exist in 21 years.
Tangents matter in a 5k but for the marathon- you might want to avoid making sharp turns to save your energy. It depends on the runner but the faster you are going the more energy you waste turning sharply.
Good to see some Ransom Everglades legends out here. We hear a lot about you at practice, Coach Pietsch.