Ed Eyestone started the war, Dave just finished it.

Yeah, it is pretty sad to see. And to think we used to rip on BYU so much for having guys that were two whole years older than average. At least they are from the US. It’s one thing when a school has a fast foreigner, or even a couple. It’s entirely different when a US college team is entirely composed of 25 year olds from the most dominant distance running nation on the planet which also happens to have a pretty nasty reputation for dirty athletes. People crying racism over the complaints this season need to grow the fukk up.

I don't remember people complaining when "foreigner" Morgan McDonald was winning NCAA titles...

He was White.

These two coaches sounded like two crybaby losers

I hope more questions like this are asked of coaches and have them say why it's ok instead of "there's no rule against it"

Doubtful. Nobody seems to have a problem with top level Aussies, Kiwis, Irish, English runners. With 25 year old Mormons

BYU’s lifestyle is also an advantage. Certainly the culture is not for everyone but it does enhance prospects in a sport like distance running. When I relate this to my Mormon friend she becomes uneasy- to her credit she is not comfortable with any notion that Mormons lead perfect lives - but I remind her it is just a sport thing - lead a life conducive to training and performance is better.

In my experience long ago I found the foreign recruits (in general) to be appreciative of the education they were receiving, and that international students were part of the college scene.

The dilemma is that track and xc is a marginal sport in the US, and having foreign athletes dominate doesn’t help the sport’s development. To what extent the Oklahoma State’s of the university scene should be responsible for the development of the sport is a legitimate question. There are not contentious discussions in general over foreign athletes in college basketball. It is a high profile high revenue enterprise.

Schools like OSU have plenty to sell. One of the best professors I have ever met is an oil and gas accounting professor at OSU. A great motivator and really drives the message that a dollar of revenue in Stillwater should be the same as a dollar in New York, giving a true sense of public purpose to education. The challenge is to recruit numbers who truly are interested in what a school has to offer, and sell that value proposition.

Stillwater is okay. It is way better than Starkville simply because they have a rowdy bar scene right next to campus. (The Strip/Eskimo Joe's and all that).

Stillwater also is only a little over an hour from both OKC and Tulsa... so you aren't completely out in the boonies.

The girls at Oklahoma State like their beer... and particularly the small town ones like the ahem... "freedom" they have away from home.

OSU, Iowa State, and Kansas State are all pretty similar.

As a runner who grew up in Oklahoma... if I were good enough to go anywhere... I'd rather train somewhere besides north central Oklahoma. Not the worst place... but there are better places.

Might as well just call this "an eye for an eye."

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Of all the solutions to the problem, I think an age limit is the fairest. These are college "kids," after all. 25 years would do.

Top US kids may turn down some schools due to all their foreign recruitments

NCAA D1 XC has reached an extreme which should require some regulation. 2 foreign nationals(on the full squad not the racing 7) and a 24 year old age limit. Without some limits it is obvious how the influx of foreign nationals is squeezing out 18 year old US hs runners. I ran D1 back in the day but I would probably be looking at D3 today before I would get myself on a team with a bunch of 24 year old foreign nationals.

So coach Eyestone raises a valid point, and this other guy's response is to tell him to "shut up"?

That's a bullies response. Coach who-ever didn't finish it. He just exposed how juvenile he is. This coach who-ever should be embarrassed.

Smith is a real manipulative *****. He can't justify his sleazy tactics so he goes on the attack. His international superteam just got his ass kicked last year by BYU and 7 American kids.

He has no pride, no self respect, no dignity.