My high schooler wants to completely commit to sub 16 5k or 410 mile. Who can I pay to make this happen?

Upside here wrote:

This kid most likely will run 4:30 in HS and 4:20 in college. He and his father will be disgruntled when he receives no D1 interest.

Great likelihood. 4:10 for a HS is stud territory, and wanting to run that in high school doesn't not just make it happen. I say it's even more likely that this kid won't do it as at least the parent has no idea what a 4:10 miler would typically run for 5k.

Anecdotal guy wrote:

Maybe that is what you want to know but don’t tell me what I want to know or what the other readers and posters want to know.

It tells you the average amount of improvement for those 500 kids.

Why would you set your goals to max out at average growth? Most people want to improve faster than others, and about half of us succeed.

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Hmm...my comments:

1) Couldn't care less what place he came in.

2) Qualified for the state meet with a 17:20? In the large school division? Unless there was a monsoon that day or something, I challenge you about it being one of the stronger XC states. 17:20 in Ohio and a bag of sh!t will get you a bag of sh!t.

3) Too hard to tell how an 8th grader will do once they hit high school...tougher to determine for girls, but boys have their issues also. Depends on how mature they are physically already, how much they like running. I know two guys who were teammates in middle school and high school. Let's call them A and B.

8th grade - A ran 5:28 for 1600 ; B ran 5:20 (runner A never beat runner B in track in middle school)

9th grade - A ran 4:40 for 1600 and 9:45 for 3200; B ran 5:20 (again) for 1600 and 10:50 for 3200

12th grade - A ran 4:15 for 1600 and 9:10 for 3200; B ran 4:55 for 1600 and 10:29 for 3200

Wasn't for lack of effort or training for runner B either. He loved running, trained well, but just didn't have the talent. Runner A also loved running and trained well, but he had the talent. Just don't know where your runner will be...only time will tell.

Why even bother replying when you didn't even make an attempt to answer the main question. Oh I'm sure you'll have some acerbic, idiotic response.

You did omit any mention of the 4:38's in the 1500 in the first year of a kids running life. Well I guess the morons in the USATF need to listen to a genius like yourself to get a better gauge on things. And yes you know nothing about the course or the conditions of that day.

Your comparison to runner A and runner B is facile and meaningless.

I know of a kid who had horrendous times in his first three years of running- persisted and grew a bit and had a great training schedule to go with his great discipline. He ended up winning States in one of the toughest States (far better than Ohio BTW no matter your incessant carping) and got a full ride to one of the perennial top 10 D1 XC programs.

If he would've listened to a knucklehead like you he would've given up his sophomore year and never reached his potential.

Next time try saying something useful.

There are no full rides unless you break 4 or 8:40 and there are probably no scholarships at all for a kid who didn’t run well until senior year.

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Can you share the ranked list? I'd love to know the range and to see, for instance, how common a 30-second improvement was. https://mybkexperience.us/

30 second improvement is common for kids starting at 6 minutes. Check the group that is in question though, the 4:10 milers in high schcool and almost none improved by 30 seconds. Nearly all of them started at 4:25-4:30 as freshmen.

Serious reply...

assuming this was a legitimate request, is this still something you're seeking assistance with?

If nobody has yet pointed out that 4:10 is way better than merely sub 16, I'm first.

Bad Wigins wrote:

If nobody has yet pointed out that 4:10 is way better than merely sub 16, I'm first.

Maybe first today... but likely 90th overall.

That said, I just might be the first to note that 14:30 is technically a sub-16, so...

Can your parents move? Loudoun Valley has had enormous success with the transfers they have received. Good country living, great coaches, excellent success. Transfers seem to adjust well and keep improving. Don't know about the academic level of the school but the kids seem to be getting into high-level academic institutions.

My 9th-grader dropped 40 seconds in 4 months from indoor to outdoor -- from 5:40 to 5:00. So 4:10 is a long way off, but I'm guessing that 4:20 is within his reach in a few years, based on his trajectory and his enviable genetic profile

webby wrote:

My 9th-grader dropped 40 seconds in 4 months from indoor to outdoor -- from 5:40 to 5:00. So 4:10 is a long way off, but I'm guessing that 4:20 is within his reach in a few years, based on his trajectory and his enviable genetic profile

Good example

and for me, 4:40 (start sophomore) to 4:24 (finish sophomore) ... shaved 16s in one season for the 1600 meters. A number of factors contributed (none of which were weekly mileage related), but the point is relatively significant increases in performance shouldn't be dismissed. I only achieved 4:17 by my senior year, but that's primarily because I was fully committed to the 400/800 meters instead (50.4 & 1:54.x on 26-28 miles/week), and my mile participation was typically relegated to collecting points and not PR's.

OP, if you happen to be lurking still, did you have any luck finding a coach -- and has your boy made progress?

Bad Wigins wrote:

If nobody has yet pointed out that 4:10 is way better than merely sub 16, I'm first.

Depends on the XC course.