Another Kenyan Busted For Doping

59:07 is spectacularly fast. It's on a par with an 2:04/5 marathon or 9.8 for 100m.

Is there any dirtier event than the half marathon?

Subway Surfers wrote:

59:07 is spectacularly fast. It's on a par with an 2:04/5 marathon or 9.8 for 100m.

B lister, sub elite, 2nd tier....el K don’t know him and sh*t he is boobs on the ground so he must be a scrub....plus Renato didn’t claim he coached him, cause he don’t waste his time on scrubs

Subway Surfers wrote:

Is there any dirtier event than the half marathon?

mud running and pro body building

This guy has got to be joking

https://youtu.be/LtOaUq737w4

This is what Durianrider just did to 'full natty Mo' and his army of doping apologists here.

https://twitter.com/KylieF12/status/1072249803923316737

If Rupp used PED's he would run the Half Mrathon in the low 57's, but if/when he goes under 59 he will get accused anyway, even though his 26:44 for 10000 indicates he SHOULD be EXPECTED to go under 59.

I wasn't aware that I challenged you. I thought that I was saying something like "suit yourself" or "whatever", as if to say, it really doesn't matter to me. I already know we have vastly different notions of what "defending" means. I'm not even sure what "busting busts" are. I can only repeat that "Defending Rosa" is a "curious conclusion". Your clarification of what you meant by it doesn't help. I looked back, and the only thing I said about Rosa specifically was that his role was as an agent -- actually others said it, including you, and I just asked if my understanding was correct. I did not get an answer, so that question is still open. I also said generally about all managers/agents, that doping their athletes risks losing everything, i.e. a lifetime ban for multiple offenses, and that, if found guilty of rule violations, they should be punished to the full extent that the rules allow. These seem like true and neutral statements, but curiously, also your idea of a "defense" of Rosa, I guess. For evidence of "uninformed allegations", also see this thread, and the long Kiprop thread. Lolz. That was too easy. Like taking candy from a baby.

rekrunner wrote:

Oh, I remember that well.

Block was not banned because of the actions and decision of his runners, but because of his own personal actions and decisions. He was held liable for his own actions, and not those of his athletes, who themselves had the strict liability for any banned substance found in their system.

I would strongly agree that any and every agent/coach/staff member/athlete found, by an arbitration panel, to have similarly trafficked banned drugs and given them to athletes, should serve the maximum ban permitted by the rules.

I don't think there is any rule that holds agents/coaches/staff members accountable for decisions that athletes might make on their own, lacking any showing of a connection.

Here's one for you rekrunner: If a coach suspects his/her athlete(s) of doping, should they be compelled to talk with the appropriate anti-doping agency or ignore their suspicion and look the other way?

Survey Says.... wrote:

rekrunner wrote:

I would strongly agree that any and every agent/coach/staff member/athlete found, by an arbitration panel, to have similarly trafficked banned drugs and given them to athletes, should serve the maximum ban permitted by the rules.

I don't think there is any rule that holds agents/coaches/staff members accountable for decisions that athletes might make on their own, lacking any showing of a connection.

Here's one for you rekrunner: If a coach suspects his/her athlete(s) of doping, should they be compelled to talk with the appropriate anti-doping agency or ignore their suspicion and look the other way?

I would love it if a certain someone would answer that question

Why is that for me? Of course, they should report their suspicions to the appropriate anti-doping agency.

Survey Says.... wrote:

Here's one for you rekrunner: If a coach suspects his/her athlete(s) of doping, should they be compelled to talk with the appropriate anti-doping agency or ignore their suspicion and look the other way?

Survey Says.... wrote:

Here's one for you rekrunner: If a coach suspects his/her athlete(s) of doping, should they be compelled to talk with the appropriate anti-doping agency or ignore their suspicion and look the other way?

Actually, Canova said repeatedly that a coach knows whether his athlete dopes. We all know that Rosa coached Sumgong, Aden Driouch, and Salazar Decker. So...

About Rosa, there were actually two witnesses that he doped his athletes (Boit and Jeptoo), and the prosecution thought they had enough evidence, but then withdrew the case because "The state wishes to conduct further investigations on the claims of doping".

Subway Surfers wrote:

This guy has got to be joking

https://youtu.be/LtOaUq737w4

LMAO ? at those Brit dancers. And nice to see an Aussie admitting to an Anglo-Saxon conspiracy. With the latest appointments, they’ve completely taken over the sport and are already pushing their agenda. Look at Tim Hutching’s call Jon Ridgeon’s competition generic cheaters reflexively defaulting to the ‘Brits are clean’ meme. FIFA is the last hold out and the only truly democratic major sports governing body.

m!ndweak wrote:

Subway Surfers wrote:

59:07 is spectacularly fast. It's on a par with an 2:04/5 marathon or 9.8 for 100m.

B lister, sub elite, 2nd tier....el K don’t know him and sh*t he is boobs on the ground so he must be a scrub....plus Renato didn’t claim he coached him, cause he don’t waste his time on scrubs

Yes. This James Mwangi Wangari guy is a superstar household name in Kenya so famous that Kenyan media have for the most part ignored this story because it would send the country into collective depression. He’s turned down every opportunity to represent his Kenya at championships because he spent his career was focused on winning two random roadraces in 2016, and nothing else. Such a loss for Kenyan athletics

El Keniano wrote:

m!ndweak wrote:

B lister, sub elite, 2nd tier....el K don’t know him and sh*t he is boobs on the ground so he must be a scrub....plus Renato didn’t claim he coached him, cause he don’t waste his time on scrubs

Yes. This James Mwangi Wangari guy is a superstar household name in Kenya so famous that Kenyan media have for the most part ignored this story because it would send the country into collective depression. He’s turned down every opportunity to represent his Kenya at championships because he spent his career was focused on winning two random roadraces in 2016, and nothing else. Such a loss for Kenyan athletics

I don't follow your sarcasm: Are you suggesting that because Wangari is not a "superstar household" name this would be a mitigating factor in his doping case? I think you're losing sight of the fact that whether it's a top notch runner like Kiprop & Bett or a less popular Wangari, there's a disturbing pattern of doping cases occuring recently with the Kenyans. Btw, here's the most recent media report just released on Wangari:

I posed this question before, so I'll ask you what your opinion is: Has anti-doping increased OOC testing in Kenya and therefore more testing is resulting in these positive cases? Or has anti-doping target tested certain Kenyans based on ABP data and confirming their suspicions with positive test results?

casual obsever wrote:

Survey Says.... wrote:

Here's one for you rekrunner: If a coach suspects his/her athlete(s) of doping, should they be compelled to talk with the appropriate anti-doping agency or ignore their suspicion and look the other way?

Actually, Canova said repeatedly that a coach knows whether his athlete dopes. We all know that Rosa coached Sumgong, Aden Driouch, and Salazar Decker. So...

About Rosa, there were actually two witnesses that he doped his athletes (Boit and Jeptoo), and the prosecution thought they had enough evidence, but then withdrew the case because "The state wishes to conduct further investigations on the claims of doping".

https://www.nation.co.ke/sports/athletics/State-withdraws-Federico-Rosa-s-doping-case/1100-3460690-2oka36z/index.html

So, what's the status of this case now over 2 yrs old from this hearing? What does "Section 87A of the criminal procedure" mean in this case? Do the Kenyan authorities not want to pursue this case anymore, and if so, for what reason?

El Keniano wrote:

m!ndweak wrote:

B lister, sub elite, 2nd tier....el K don’t know him and sh*t he is boobs on the ground so he must be a scrub....plus Renato didn’t claim he coached him, cause he don’t waste his time on scrubs

Yes. This James Mwangi Wangari guy is a superstar household name in Kenya so famous that Kenyan media have for the most part ignored this story because it would send the country into collective depression. He’s turned down every opportunity to represent his Kenya at championships because he spent his career was focused on winning two random roadraces in 2016, and nothing else. Such a loss for Kenyan athletics

love the antics....even when someone runs FAST, el K, rek and renato still have a way of trying to do damage control

kenyans dont dope

dope doesnt work on top tier kenyans

doping kenyans must be sub elite

fast times dont mean nothing if the person has no MEDIA coverage like my homeboy Potato farmer

its white mans fault for the doping, UNLESS its people in rosas camp, then its corrupted kenyan testers trying to act like corrupt white guys....then rosa is pure, and kiprop was setup and somehow its the roberson brothers fault cause they are RACISTS!!!!

lolz lolz lolz. then you have rek b*tching that an agent/coach isnt responsible for the athletes when it comes to rosa but cant say anything about the ones BEFORE this who have been BANNED, tarnished and harassed by the median and the brojos.

can someone who is smarter than rek please explain why the f*ck rosa keeps getting a free pass? i mean el K hates all whites except rosa and renato, i just dont get it

El Keniano wrote:

Subway Surfers wrote:

This guy has got to be joking

https://youtu.be/LtOaUq737w4

LMAO ? at those Brit dancers. And nice to see an Aussie admitting to an Anglo-Saxon conspiracy. With the latest appointments, they’ve completely taken over the sport and are already pushing their agenda. Look at Tim Hutching’s call Jon Ridgeon’s competition generic cheaters reflexively defaulting to the ‘Brits are clean’ meme. FIFA is the last hold out and the only truly democratic major sports governing body.

https://twitter.com/timhutchings1/status/1069637396193513473?s=21

I like Durianrider, or at least he is entertaining, but just do a YouTube search for him and see what his character is.

He's also admitted to taking steroids or something himself and yet competes in his local ParkRuns and usually wins in 17 or 18 minutes.

I agree with the Mo part of the video, but I'm inclined to think Galen Rupp hasn't crossed the line, although the NOP is obviously dodgy and pushing the boundaries if not actually breaking them.

The Brit dancers were funny, but really taking drugs at nightclubs (in the 90s) hasn't got a lot to do with whether you would morally make the decision to cheat AND risk the consequences of doing so. The Diaz brothers in MMA are likely the cleanest guys in the sport PED wise and the most outspoken against PED use, yet they fail tests for recreational drug use and don't give a F.

El K's tired old argument with a new twist - now not only do increasing Kenyan busts 'prove' that the rest of the world cheat even more, but state doping in the GDR and the Soviet Union proves that the British have always been doping even worse.

And as far as John Ridgeon's appointment is concerned, isn't his role about media marketing and the like?

rekrunner wrote:

I'm pretty sure I never said "there isn't a doping problem in Kenya".

For the sake of clarity, I believe Kenya has a doping problem. They are not alone. Track and field has a doping problem.

I agree with you there - and what is your analysis of the current Kenyan doping situation? You haven't done any talking points on this?

Has anti-doping increased OOC testing in Kenya and therefore more testing is resulting in these positive cases? Or has anti-doping target tested certain Kenyans based on ABP data and confirming their suspicions with positive test results?

The Wangari positive for testosterone could have been flagged on the steroid module of his ABP resulting in a target test? And the Carbon Isotope Test (CIR) would have had to been used for confirmation of synthetic testosterone found in the sample.

The report below says "50 Kenyan athletes that have tested positive for doping since 2012," but, IMO, the surge in recent positives has been interesting; again increase in OOC testing or target testing off of ABP data?

The report also mentions that "Together with Ukraine, Ethiopia, Venezuela and Morocco, Kenya has been deemed one of the countries whose athletes are most likely to dope."

Not a lot of surprises there: Ukraine historically has followed Russia's lead & philosophy on doping (interesting Russia isn't mentioned). Morroco has demonstrated a culture of doping and has the 2nd highest number of ABP sanctions behind Russia. Venezuela?...when did they become a country most likely to dope? And Ethiopia? Though they have a fraction of the doping positives that Kenya has, I would imagine this is because of a lack of OOC testing? Does anyone know what the state of anti-doping is in Ethiopia? Are their athletes participating in the ABP program? Why hasn't there been positive cases on par with Kenya? Lack of OOC testing?