Once and for all, the proper jeffinition of "sport"

not really wrote:

dafadf wrote:

And even worse: video games

No.

1) The outcome isn't decided by athletes, as no athletes are involved. It is decided by the participants, but that isn't the criteria.

2) The player does not do the majority of the work. A computer does.

3) Actively playing defense I guess would depend on the game, but even if the game involves defense, you only have 1 out of 3 criteria met.

1) It is decided by the physical performance of the participant within the constraints of the match. This is true of all sports.

2) A baseball bat does most of the work, but baseball is still a sport.

3) Most p2p matches involve a huge amount of defense.

Video game matches are lame, but they do bring in big money. The fact that it triggers so many people is also great.

Gravy wrote:

not really wrote:

No.

1) The outcome isn't decided by athletes, as no athletes are involved. It is decided by the participants, but that isn't the criteria.

2) The player does not do the majority of the work. A computer does.

3) Actively playing defense I guess would depend on the game, but even if the game involves defense, you only have 1 out of 3 criteria met.

1) It is decided by the physical performance of the participant within the constraints of the match. This is true of all sports.

2) A baseball bat does most of the work, but baseball is still a sport.

3) Most p2p matches involve a huge amount of defense.

Video game matches are lame, but they do bring in big money. The fact that it triggers so many people is also great.

1) The definition specifically said "athlete," not participant. Sure, the outcome is decided by the participants. No, the outcome is not decided by athletes.

2) A PS4 uses 140 watts of power per hour. How much energy does the player use?

3) As previously stated, irrelevant as only one criteria is met even if defense exists.

crosscounts wrote:

Not so fast bro wrote:

If you can casually smoke a cigarette while doing it, then it's not a sport, it's a game.

So golf and baseball are games.

I love when people so readily reveal themselves as ignoramuses by making fun of baseball athleticism.

In neither of those pictures are the players actually smoking while playing. Your reading comprehension and cognitive ability is apparently so low you cannot recall your own, quoted, posts.

And if you really want to delve into the smoking point, lets find articles about Farah smoking. Or consider mountaineers bringing rolling tobacco on an ascent. Surely they are athletes (even if mountaineering is not a sport by the "jeffinition").

Not a sport, but America's Pasttime..

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crosscounts wrote:

In neither of those pictures are the players actually smoking while playing. Your reading comprehension and cognitive ability is apparently so low you cannot recall your own, quoted, posts.

And if you really want to delve into the smoking point, lets find articles about Farah smoking. Or consider mountaineers bringing rolling tobacco on an ascent. Surely they are athletes (even if mountaineering is not a sport by the "jeffinition").

No need for quotation marks there, brah...

theJeff wrote:

To be a Sport, at least 2 of the following 3 must be true:

1. Outcome is decided by athletes, not judges

2. The athlete must do the majority of the work (not a horse or a car)

3. You must be able to actively play defense

Examples

Soccer is a sport (1, 2, & 3)

Running is a sport (1 & 2, but not 3)

Gymnastics is not a sport (2, but not 1 or 3)

Change my mind.

Christianity is a sport. It's judged but the athlete does most of the work while Satan plays D.

1) Participant must potentially risk pulling a hammy (i.e. activity requires substantial motive force), eliminates horses, motor”sports,” sledding, diving etc

2) At elite levels 50 year olds can’t compete with 25 year olds

3) It is not an activity widely enjoyed in retirement, e.g. golf

4) It is not originally a drinking game or an activity enhanced by drinking, e.g curling, snowboarding, badminton

5) Announcers never say “These guys are actually athletes,” e.g NASCAR pit crews

What do you mean that running doesn’t require any active defense? If someone elbows me, I elbow back. ? ?‍♀️ ?

You are pointlessly hiding the question of what a sport is behind the question of what an athlete is. Not only did you not define what an athlete is, it's arguably the same question, since an athlete is someone who does sports, and a sport is something that involves athletes. Founding criteria on tautological word substitutions is a waste of everyone's time!

“There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games.” -EH

In modern terms, I would also include BASE jumping, airplane racing, big-building parcours and big-wave surfing. I will leave it to others to discover what all have in common.

get off my lawn wrote:

All I know is that a couple of years ago the college track I sometimes use had the infield all roped off and sign posted that said, "field being reseeded, No sports or golf allowed."

I made that sign. Some idiot kept driving his old beat up volkswagon around the track. Golf refers to his car, not the sport of golfing.

LoneStarXC wrote:

What do you mean that running doesn’t require any active defense? If someone elbows me, I elbow back. ? ?‍♀️ ?

I'll tell you a funny one, many years ago I told my father about how every week someone would cut in front of me during an 800m/1500m race and then go slow, costing me seconds each week, as I had to run wide to get around them and he told me a story about a pretty good runner from the 1970s who used to yell "f#ck off" at anyone who would push, elbow or cut in front of him during a race, just to frighten them. So during my next race a Dutch guy decided to cut sideways into me, so I pulled out a really loud "f#ck off." Anyhow straight after the race the Dutch guy was not too pleased and was keen on a fight, which was quite embarrassing for me. The next day (Sunday morning) I was alone running through a large forest and out of nowhere, coming the other way was the Dutch guy. ? Awkward.

4. The outcome is decided by one person and not by a coach or other team members

Golf

Chess

Checkers

Go

Bowling

Skiing

Snowboarding

Surfing

NASCAR

Motocross

Power Skiing

Formula 1

Good job, team. A couple of tweaks to my NOW BULLET-PROOF jeffinition:

1. Outcome is decided by athletes, not judges

2. The actions involved must be physically strenuous, and the athlete must do the majority of the work (not a horse or a car)

3. You must be able to actively and physically play defense

theJeff wrote:To be a Sport, at least 2 of the following 3 must be true:

1. Outcome is decided by athletes, not judges

2. The athlete must do the majority of the work (not a horse or a car)

3. You must be able to actively play defense

Examples

Soccer is a sport (1, 2, & 3)

Running is a sport (1 & 2, but not 3)

Gymnastics is not a sport (2, but not 1 or 3)

Change my mind.

I'll make no attempt to change your mind about soccer, running and gymnastics, but I offer a counterexample to show your definition is flawed. Chess meets all three criteria, and would hence meet the jeffinition for "sport," unless you add clarity as to what you mean by "athlete."