Official 2017 D3 Cross Country Thread

Good post. Agree completely. Steinbock was runner-up at Nationals in the 5000 but never won a conference title.

loosetree wrote:

That was Amherst's fourth Little Three Championship in Men's XC since WWII: 1955, 1969, 1987, 2017. Wesleyan won sixteen times, but only once since 1966.

Life comes at you fast

Just to clarify, I never meant to call out a program when mentioning Schilit, just amazing to see someone with those PR's not take a D3 title.

Just to give an idea of how impressive Tim Nelson was in 2012-2013: when Shilit took 2nd to him in the 5k, Shilit was a fresh sub-14 guy. Nelson was coming off winning the 10k 2 days prior.

Nelson vs. LaMere in a national 10k is a battle I would love to see.

I was mainly responding to purelfowsixess' question. You're right, Schilit is the GOAT to never win in D3.

Nelson was unstoppable in 2012. I remember him putting on huge mid-race moves rather than just going hard from the gun. He and LaMere certainly wouldn't have run a slow race!

On the other hand, Haverford had the most unlikely D3 champion in Anders Hulleberg. Nothing he did before or after would in XC or track would point to his 2010 XC title that led Haverford to the team win over NCC.

Off Kilter wrote:

On the other hand, Haverford had the most unlikely D3 champion in Anders Hulleberg. Nothing he did before or after would in XC or track would point to his 2010 XC title that led Haverford to the team win over NCC.

That was a wild race. 10 men in it with 400m to go.

D3: Nattys Lite wrote:

Lacrosse continues to roll despite not really having a front runner. Could see them doing what they've done the last few years at nationals, 1-5 close split but no all-americans.

Just because schultz couldnt beat the future D1 africans from Iowa Comm Coll, I wouldnt say hes not a front runner. That was probably a top 15 national meet performance. The guy who won the race is a 14:10 guy just to give some comparison and 25 flat on that course is pretty legit since it was softish and has a big hill 3X. Based on your logic, Grant Wintheiser was also not a front runner the year he won nationals because he also could not beat the top africans from iona cc. That year Tonui beat grant and became the top guy for Arkansas the next fall.

Didn't he finish with the two platville guys at eau Claire? Those guys finished 16/17? At prenats. So unless he wasn't pushing in that race, or this past weekends he hasn't shown himself to be a front runner yet. It would seem that 30-40th is a pretty fair prediction based on what we've seen so far.

I'd put Schultz at around 18th, behind Wartburg's Eli Kaczinski, who ran 30:30 on the track. Schultz has a 30:43 PR.

Remember that O’Keefe is still a bigger liability than Ryan Gosling was on defense in Remember the Titans.

Off Kilter wrote:

On the other hand, Haverford had the most unlikely D3 champion in Anders Hulleberg. Nothing he did before or after would in XC or track would point to his 2010 XC title that led Haverford to the team win over NCC.

Or Ryan Bugler in the Steeplechase in 2016. Wins the meet on his first go around at the national meet despite being one of the last in. Failed to duplicate anything similar after.

Fans gotta love those types of races, as it reminds us that anyone can win on any given day.

Shultz ran 30:12 to qualify for nats bruv

30:12 and woulda been 16th at pre nats...

Like two years ago. Plus, that is only a two spot difference at pre-nats..

Plus, that 30:12 only translated to a 67th place finish at Cross Country Nationals that next fall. This is why I don't trust track to grass conversions. They are misleading.

I’ll provide some more evidence in favor of a big performance coming in Nov for Bub Schultz. Look at previous results from the Jim Drews meet. In 2014 Campbell and Cieselski were 2451 and 2503 respectively and the conditions were faster that year (course was firm and temp in the 40s). Now where did they both finish at nationals in ‘14? They were 8th and 9th at the national meet in reverse order.

I know track doesn’t always convert well to xc success. Some guys definitely run better on grass. I wouldn’t use his previous results like the 67th at nats last fall either because if I remember correctly people were predicting a top 10-15 finish for Schultz last fall and he likely had a bad day is all. Top 20 is probably a good day for him and top 10 is still v realistic.

Really hoped you would be gone runmn, your weenie riding of Wiac and Olaf is old and annoying.

Here is how things look before any upsets at regionals or UAAs. UAA- Wash u and CMU prob top 2, then Chicago and NYU, Brandeis, Emory, Case western in the next group

South-2

CNU

Rhodes

(Emory)- no wins, lots of loses at prenats

West-3

Pomona

CMS

Occidental

Great Lakes-3

Calvin

Ohio Northern

Depauw

(Otterbein)- will prob beat Depauw anyway, lost to Rowan, beat Dickinson

Central-3 because no region other than the south has only got 2

Loras

Wartburg

St Olaf- no wins, lost to stout and platteville

(Neb Wes)- no wins

(Carleton)- no wins or losses

Mideast-4

Haverford

CMU

Johns Hopkins

York- beat Rhodes, Rowan

(Dickinson)-lost to otterbein and Rowan

New England 5-6

Amherst

MIT

Williams

Middlebury

Conn College- lost to NYU, St Law, & others not in NCAA disc beat oneonta

Bates- no bad losses, no wins

(Brandeis)- lost to Oneonta

Atlantic- 5

Geneseo

RPI

St Lawrence

NYU

Rowan- beat otterbein and Dickinson

(Oneonta)- lost to conn college beat Brandeis

Midwest 6-7

North Central

UW Lacrosse

Wash U

UW Eau Claire

UW Stout

Chicago

UW Platteville- beat St Olaf, Emory

These are actually pretty darn good. Like you said the only thing that could mess this up would be something like Emory beating Chicago or NYU at the UAA meet or Brandeis somehow beating all three of them. Should be a good conference meet with so many teams on the bubble.

Womens individuals and teams?