Women's world cup

no. just... no.

I'm with OP on this one...goal kicks aren't even sniffin the half way mark and I've gotta think 17 and 18 year old boys would gash the defense with their speed. I'd say 80% of high quality boys could run a sub 55 400m while I'd wager 1 or 2 of these women could do that. Speed alone would give the boys a great advantage.

Nope....wouldn't be close. Women would dust the boys.

My 13yo daughter plays center mid on one of the top club teams in the Northeast. Ran a 65 second 400 in middle school track and is not a standout for speed. Her team would dust most high school boys teams. The USWNT? The boys would be crying before halftime.

This question arises also assuming the OP was watching the number 1 and 2 teams in the world. I have watched lots of soccer in my life, and one thing has always been clear to me: a very good high school boys team could beat the top women's national teams. Again, speed alone would be a huge factor.

That being said, several skill-based teams like France and Brazil are making cases against the issue. Ball movement alone when they are playing well is a level up. It's just that women's soccer has been so irrelevant for so long.

marksch wrote:

Nope....wouldn't be close. Women would dust the boys.

My 13yo daughter plays center mid on one of the top club teams in the Northeast. Ran a 65 second 400 in middle school track and is not a standout for speed. Her team would dust most high school boys teams. The USWNT? The boys would be crying before halftime.

You sir, are an idiot if you believe 13 year old girls could play with the top 17-18 year old boys teams.

You do realize that Women's National Team have played boys under 17 select team many times and always get shellacked. https://twitter.com/Floresjr_/status/194565600402612224Not even close.

marksch wrote:

Nope....wouldn't be close. Women would dust the boys.

My 13yo daughter plays center mid on one of the top club teams in the Northeast. Ran a 65 second 400 in middle school track and is not a standout for speed. Her team would dust most high school boys teams. The USWNT? The boys would be crying before halftime.

Concupiscurd wrote:

You do realize that Women's National Team have played boys under 17 select team many times and always get shellacked.

https://twitter.com/Floresjr_/status/194565600402612224

Not even close.

marksch wrote:

Nope....wouldn't be close. Women would dust the boys.

My 13yo daughter plays center mid on one of the top club teams in the Northeast. Ran a 65 second 400 in middle school track and is not a standout for speed. Her team would dust most high school boys teams. The USWNT? The boys would be crying before halftime.

Awesome find, I think I almost nailed it with the 5-6 goal differential. I'm also assuming the boys were told not to hold back a bit as to not injure an Alex Morgan or Rapinoe scrapping for a 50/50 ball in a meaningless scrimmage.

And you've gotta be kidding me if you think your 13 year olds team could compete with high schoolers. high schoolers could play 7 players and still crush your daughters team.

*were told to hold back a bit

Curious why guys always feel compelled to compare women's athletics to men's? The conclusion always seems to be the same. Women just don't measure up, do they?

So stop watching women's sports and put an end to your compulsive need to belittle and dismiss their achievements.

half back retarded? wrote:

[quote]marksch wrote:[/b

Her team would dust most high school boys teams.

You sir, are an idiot if you believe 13 year old girls could play with the top 17-18 year old boys teams.

Want to try reading what I wrote....I quoted the pertinent part....and then get back to me on who is an idiot?

Their ball control would run the local boys teams ragged....never mind speed. Would they beat the top HS team....no....but they would beat most.

They have played HS boys, and depending on the specific ages, the speed thing really is an issue. One of the match reports in brief was: the women were tactically and technically superior, but the speed of the boys gave them more scoring opportunities, and limited the USWNT's offense. (boys won 5-1)

I think this is a little apples and oranges. The original post says a high school team, and then the link indicates an ODP team.

Even so, maybe I'm off target.

Still confident that my daughter's team (similar level to an ODP team) would beat the local HS boys

Alex Morgans middle finger wrote:

Curious why guys always feel compelled to compare women's athletics to men's? The conclusion always seems to be the same. Women just don't measure up, do they?

So stop watching women's sports and put an end to your compulsive need to belittle and dismiss their achievements.

But if you are sports fan and don't watch women's sports the PC police call you sexist.

How is this different then any other sport? Certainly a good AAU team would fair very well against a WNBA team, very good HS runners would have won just about all events this past week, swimming is probably the only one where things get interesting and only because many of the best swimmers for girls are in high school whereas it takes most boys a bit longer. Now if you go to the artistic sport - diving, ice skating, things get interesting.

It really isn't relevant, as a poster pointed out the efforts of the women should be appreciated in context - and at least they are not flopping all over the place nearly as much as the men.

Also a select team is not the same as a good high school team - they are much better then just about any high school team.

I am a huge soccer fan. Used to play and coach. For the vets of the board, see my postings about the US Men's team and my predictions for them before the 2014 World Cup (they were dead on, as far as results).

Last night, I watched probably 2/3 of the game v Germany. It was the first time I have watched the women's team in probably 10 years. Midway thru the 2nd half, I texted a buddy with "Germany is the #1 team in the world? Wow, that's sad."

Here is what I saw. The US was the better team, but still relied on the old "boot it out the back and let the forwards run onto it" mentality. It's high school soccer tactics. They had SOME possession and build up, but it wasn't consistent (the thing is, when they did string some passes together, the Germans couldn't handle it and it created opportunities, but then the very next time they got touched the ball in the defensive it, it was just boot it down the pitch..that's coaching)

The German team looked slow, disorganized and couldn't put a decent shot on frame to save their lives. They honestly didn't even look that sound technically. I understand their top player was limited due to injury, but the fact that they had NO midfield at all would have neutralized that player anyways. I'd love to see a "shot chart" but I'd bet the German team had MAYBE 2 shots on goal. They were blasting shots from 25 yards out and not a single one came close to being on frame. Maybe that's a credit to the US defense, who seemed to be highly organized, but it's also a failure of your team to make runs/put yourself in position to get decent looks on goal. Compare it to the Argentina v Paraguay men's match last night and the darting runs and ball movement that created chances and plenty of goals (for Argentina at least)

Germany's womens team have played a under17 boys team of VFB Stuttgart (first tier club in Germany) before. They had to stop the game after the first half because it was basically a massacre.

It's not that it's a different league, it's a different sport.

So, in addition to obvious physical differences, you're saying women's soccer also sucks in tactics and skill?

I didn't say they suck in tactics and skill. I mentioned I hadn't seen a game in probably 10 years. Maybe other women's games are different and both teams had an off night, but when a ball comes in on a longer pass and you can't trap the ball without it going 10 yards off your foot, that's a lack of skill. When you can't make a clean, crisp pass, that's a lack of a skill. When you can't dribble your way out of a pressure situation on your own end line, that's a lack of skill. Not making runs into the box is both a skill and a tactic (and coaching).

I can't fault the tactics the US used. It's not the prettiest to watch, but the "boot it out the back and let the forwards run onto it" tactic worked for Chelsea and won them a Champions League title. What I was saying is that while it does work (obviously as they are winning), they actually created more opportunities when they moved the ball up the field and possessed the ball. The weren't consistent with that though. They would have a good attack via possession and passing and then the very next three times it was back to just boot it up the field.

Just a couple of thoughts:

If the goal is to determine whether a top women's national team could beat a good boys age-group team, that question has been answered on the field. The boys win. And I can't imagine they would put the women on the field against a boys team that is of lower quality (like a generic high school team) because the risk of a player making a reckless play would be too high. At least a very good age-group team would play with some sense of control.

But the more fun question to me is why is there is difference in tactical acumen? I believe it boils down to depth among the highly skilled participants. There are more boys who really dedicate themselves to watching the game, studying the decision-making processes, and applying what they see in high-level soccer to their own games. If a boy makes a terrible decision, there is another capable boy on the bench who will suddenly get his chance to play and the kid who makes mistakes loses his spot or game time. So, they learn very quickly to make fewer mistakes.

On the girls side, the best players at the younger ages do not have a reasonable substitute waiting to take their place. I see very skilled young girls make terrible tactical errors and the coach won't take them out. They lose zero playing time, so the bad decision making isn't penalized and it continues. As the depth of players increases, the decision making will get better out of necessity to keep one's spot.

I've been around soccer for a long time, as a player, coach and parent of a travel player (a girl) and my experience is that girls do not watch the game nearly as much as the boys (many girls will tell you that there isn't a chance in hell of them watching any games, but if they do it is just the Women's World Cup every four years).