Ulrey hints time w Salazar wasnt too pleasant and glad to be gone

Eye Hate Nike wrote:

Alberto's children have jobs at Nike. I don't imagine they're in Tech development. I think they are paid to clean up after dear old dad.

Dennis Reynolds 2.0 wrote:

It would be hilarious if there was a little, windowless room somewhere at Nike HQ where people were paid to read Letsrun and post positive Nike stuff.

Alberto has children? Gross. What poor woman did he con into that?

student of the sport wrote:

he got tired of being rupp's rabbit

Ha! Rupp's Rabbit. Say that 20 times fast!

Eye Hate Nike wrote:

Tara Erdman will be the next to leave. I'm sure she is sick of caddying for Hasay.

Oh yeah, this one too! Caddy for Hassay.

I have loved these little word games ever since I was a little kid. Does anyone have any more good ones?

Anti-shill wrote:

[quote]reeeeally? wrote:

Ice baths have been debunked too, but NOP still does them.

Your point?

Big Al is not a fan of regular ice baths.

hhhh wrote:

Anti-shill wrote:

Ice baths have been debunked too, but NOP still does them.

Your point?

How have ice baths been debunked? I benefitted from one just yesterday.

Try to keep up .....

Ulrey did that good mile - 3000 double indoors back in college so he is not exactly an 800-mile guy. Seems like he was more of a strength miler. Centro commented on the strength/distance jump after joining NOP, but this from Ulrey really confirms that the crew puts in a lot of work and still develops speed as the icing on the cake.

Also, why do people think Cam is not happy? He's doing really well, it seems like he is just not satisfied yet. He's probably working out in the realm of Rupp and just wants his results to improve more to reflect that. A bit like when Rupp was training in the realm of Farah but was racing at a level or two below. Then he made a bump. That's probably what Cam is looking for.

I'd say debunked is a bit strong. From the article you posted...

The researchers note that ice bath research has produced such a wide range of conclusions because there is not a "standard protocol" for the technique.

Though the finding from the study that using an ice bath post-workout is not an effective way to mitigate soreness, Crystal is still "not convinced" that they are a complete waste of time. She says:

"Use them sparingly. Use them in tournament situations, use them with an athlete who has done something extraordinary. But for day-to-day athletes, I wouldn't recommend them. They're painful, and they're time consuming."

bobmeister wrote:

Ulrey looks too heavy to run a fast 1500. He really porked out!

are you joking?

the guys is 5'9 and was 122 pounds last year according to the video.

he said he is now 130 pounds which is a perfect weight for someone his height (same height/weight as seb coe)

HRMGarmin wrote:

That dude needs to go straight to the Ultra scene. That's where he belongs.

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That is like telling a rookie who is finally getting some at bat to go play professional softball.

Ultra's the future. Whenever white people can't dominate a sport they make up a new one. Right now the choice is between triathlon and ultra running.

NotAustin18 wrote:

Salazar's group trains really hard. Most people can't handle the degree of work they do. Those who can are great. Those who can't are not. Ulrey is the latter.

Also, he was one of the slower guys in the group so he likely didn't get the benefit of EPO and such that Farah, Rupp, Centro, and Ritz get. They use microdoses shortly after the testing time so it leaves the body within 18 hours and therefore avoid getting busted. For example, if testing is always 6-7am, they'd just dope at like 830am or something before the morning run after the drug testers are gone.

I remember reading somewhere that someone in Shumacher's group said they saw Rupp and Farah inject right before the 10k Olympic final.

Post is bulls#*t but effin' hilarious nonetheless. Great lead-in the the off handed dope accusations. LOL.

SomeCoach wrote:

hhhh wrote:

How have ice baths been debunked? I benefitted from one just yesterday.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/265047.php

Try to keep up .....

How about YOU try to keep up? Did you not see where I said that I benefitted from an ice bath just yesterday? Also, that study does not debunk ice baths. Try reading that study again.

NotAustin18 wrote

Salazar's group trains really hard. Most people can't handle the degree of work they do. Those who can are great. Those who can't are not. Ulrey is the latter.

Also, he was one of the slower guys in the group so he likely didn't get the benefit of EPO and such that Farah, Rupp, Centro, and Ritz get. They use microdoses shortly after the testing time so it leaves the body within 18 hours and therefore avoid getting busted. For example, if testing is always 6-7am, they'd just dope at like 830am or something before the morning run after the drug testers are gone.

I remember reading somewhere that someone in Shumacher's group said they saw Rupp and Farah inject right before the 10k Olympic final.

How do you know this? Are you a NOP person?

reality checkster wrote:

NotAustin18 wrote

Salazar's group trains really hard. Most people can't handle the degree of work they do. Those who can are great. Those who can't are not. Ulrey is the latter.

Also, he was one of the slower guys in the group so he likely didn't get the benefit of EPO and such that Farah, Rupp, Centro, and Ritz get. They use microdoses shortly after the testing time so it leaves the body within 18 hours and therefore avoid getting busted. For example, if testing is always 6-7am, they'd just dope at like 830am or something before the morning run after the drug testers are gone.

I remember reading somewhere that someone in Shumacher's group said they saw Rupp and Farah inject right before the 10k Olympic final.

How do you know this? Are you a NOP person?

The injecting before olympic 10k thing I heard on letsrun.

The doping stuff I know from a friend whose going to be coached next year by a guy that is very well connected with the NOP. The friend was talking with the well connected guy like a week ago and the well connected guy said "rattle off names and I'll let you know." He said Lagat, Rupp, Ritz, Centro, Farah are dirty. Schumacher group is clean. Manzano is clean. Also said Symmonds is a douche in real life but is clean. And said Salazar tried to kiss Goucher back when he coached her, and that Farah cheats on his wife.

April Fool's is tomorrow and all, but the whole explanation of the microdosing thing made a lot of sense so I don't think my friend is missing with me.

Er... wrote:

So you're saying a high percentage of people who leave the program because they're not satisfied with it report not having been satisfied with it? That's a heck of a contribution you're making.

even when I lose I 'm winning wrote:

Not to bash the NOP or Salazar, but it seems like a LOT of athletes leave there and don't say anything positive about the experience or the people there, for whatever that's worth.

He's saying that no one has ever left the project with anything positive to say about it. Just because you move coaches doesn't necessarily mean you're unsatisfied with their program or performance.

NotAustin18 wrote:

How do you know this? Are you a NOP person?

The injecting before olympic 10k thing I heard on letsrun.

The doping stuff I know from a friend whose going to be coached next year by a guy that is very well connected with the NOP. The friend was talking with the well connected guy like a week ago and the well connected guy said "rattle off names and I'll let you know." He said Lagat, Rupp, Ritz, Centro, Farah are dirty. Schumacher group is clean. Manzano is clean. Also said Symmonds is a douche in real life but is clean. And said Salazar tried to kiss Goucher back when he coached her, and that Farah cheats on his wife.

April Fool's is tomorrow and all, but the whole explanation of the microdosing thing made a lot of sense so I don't think my friend is missing with me.[/quote]

Salazar trying to kiss Goucher makes sense.

transience wrote:

The injecting before olympic 10k thing I heard on letsrun...and said Salazar tried to kiss Goucher back when he coached her,...but the whole explanation of the microdosing thing made a lot of sense...

Salazar trying to kiss Goucher makes sense.[/quote]

Salazar trying to kiss and microdose Goucher makes sense.

Anti cranti wrote:

http://www.flotrack.org/coverage/251526-Texas-Relays-2014/video/741318-Dorian-Ulrey-back-on-the-track-and-back-to-basics

With out reading the article, I can assume what the contents are.

In high school, it is not uncommon for 2:05, 2:00 and 1:55 half milers to all train together and it sort of works out because the potential improvement curve is so great at that age. But, when you are in your mid-20s, a 1:47x 800m runner trying to do the workouts with a group of 1:44/1:45 guys can easily become physically and emotionally burnt out. You need some individualization, but there is no way your needs are going to be fully met becasue the attention goes to the 1:44/1:45 guys whose performances pay the bills.

I watched this scenerio play out in the late 80s with one of Gags groups, the Enclave. You would have sub-elite types who were H.S. state champs and NCAA all-Americans killing themselves in workouts and basically being treated like scrubs. In a true elite group, everything is primarily focused around the world class athletes and it has to be that way becasue they are the ones who are paying your coaching salary. Unless you have a break out race and/or show improvement in training, you quickly become sort of like a sparring partner and being a sparring partner serves a useful purpose, it's what keeps you in the group. AlSal actually allows athletes to ride the back-of-the-bus longer than most, talk to any East African athlete and they will tell you that their groups will have up to 50 sub-elite 'peacefully' sitting the beanch. To the point; most athletes are selfish, their evaluation is always based on their own improvement. If it does not happen, it is someone else's fault, which is why it does not surprise me that Dorian had a bad experience at NOP.

NotAustin18 wrote:

The doping stuff I know from a friend whose going to be coached next year by a guy that is very well connected with the NOP. The friend was talking with the well connected guy like a week ago and the well connected guy said "rattle off names and I'll let you know." He said Lagat, Rupp, Ritz, Centro, Farah are dirty. Schumacher group is clean. Manzano is clean. Also said Symmonds is a douche in real life but is clean. And said Salazar tried to kiss Goucher back when he coached her, and that Farah cheats on his wife.

If Salazar's group is doping and Schumacher's group is clean, then Salazar isn't really do a good job of doping.

Solinsky's 3 fastest 5000s are better than Rupp's best. Solinsky ran sub 27 before Rupp did. Rupp, arguably, has more talent than Solinsky, yet we're supposed to believe Rupp is dirty and Solinsky is clean? If so, Salazar needs to get a better doping doctor.