he got tired of being rupp's rabbit
as did farah
Not to bash the NOP or Salazar, but it seems like a LOT of athletes leave there and don't say anything positive about the experience or the people there, for whatever that's worth.
When anyone starts with "I don't mean to bash..." I stop reading because I know that is a lie and they do intend to bash.
Anytime an athlete leaves a program they look like a DB to criticize. Just leave. Keep your mouth shut and just leave.
sick of these whiny athletes
So you're saying a high percentage of people who leave the program because they're not satisfied with it report not having been satisfied with it? That's a heck of a contribution you're making.
even when I lose I 'm winning wrote:
Not to bash the NOP or Salazar, but it seems like a LOT of athletes leave there and don't say anything positive about the experience or the people there, for whatever that's worth.
Tara Erdman will be the next to leave. I'm sure she is sick of caddying for Hasay.
I always thought the only point of going to Salazar was that you were ready to throw everything you had ever done out and start completely over using Salazar's method to leave no stone unturned.
It is easy to think you want to completely change but it is much harder to actually do it. For many, the initial loss of confidence just can't be overcome even if the training is slightly better.
Cam doesn't seem thrilled during interviews since he joined Salazar. A little depressed actually
Ask Ciaran how much he LOVED being Rupp's bitch...ALL THE TIME.
CAm next? wrote:
Cam doesn't seem thrilled during interviews since he joined Salazar. A little depressed actually
That dude needs to go straight to the Ultra scene. That's where he belongs.
That dude needs to go straight to the Ultra scene. That's where he belongs.
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That is like telling a rookie who is finally getting some at bat to go play professional softball.
It's probably the first time any of these people realize what it means to "ride the pine".
Salazar's team is designed to win Olympic Gold medals, that's it. He has 2 or 3 people that are capable of doing that and everything he does is geared towards achieving that goal.
I see him no different than any other coach at a top level university that brings in talented guys to fill the ranks and provide support for the main goal of his team. If one of these filler ahtletes, like Dorian Ulrey, or another person used primarily for sparring partners turns out to have more potential or develops into a star, it's an added bonus.
I understand the allure of being trained by Salazar, but you're not going to get the opportunities to compete or the direct coaching focus you need unless you're already at the level he wants.
It's akin to being a walk on at a school like Oregon or Wisconsin and you're a top state guy, not a top national recruit. You've had a lot of success in high school, but those coaches aren't going to give you the same focus on your training as their blue chip kids. If you stick it out and eventually make it, great, but it's going to take a lot more mental toughness and understanding on your part to recognize you aren't the priority.
I can't stand Salazar. I haven't since the bullying way they got rid of Martin Smith at Oregon. But I don't blame him for running his team the way he does. It's not for everyone.
Giddy wrote:
It's probably the first time any of these people realize what it means to "ride the pine".
Salazar's team is designed to win Olympic Gold medals, that's it. He has 2 or 3 people that are capable of doing that and everything he does is geared towards achieving that goal.
I see him no different than any other coach at a top level university that brings in talented guys to fill the ranks and provide support for the main goal of his team. If one of these filler ahtletes, like Dorian Ulrey, or another person used primarily for sparring partners turns out to have more potential or develops into a star, it's an added bonus.
I understand the allure of being trained by Salazar, but you're not going to get the opportunities to compete or the direct coaching focus you need unless you're already at the level he wants.
It's akin to being a walk on at a school like Oregon or Wisconsin and you're a top state guy, not a top national recruit. You've had a lot of success in high school, but those coaches aren't going to give you the same focus on your training as their blue chip kids. If you stick it out and eventually make it, great, but it's going to take a lot more mental toughness and understanding on your part to recognize you aren't the priority.
I can't stand Salazar. I haven't since the bullying way they got rid of Martin Smith at Oregon. But I don't blame him for running his team the way he does. It's not for everyone.
Martin Smith needed to go. Are you so sure he wasn't a bully himself??
And, with a nearly million dollar parting gift, that's a lot of bullying.
Oregon is laughing all the way to national titles, podiums, and trophies.
Ulrey was just too fragile to train in that camp. Salazar pushes his athletes to their limits and this works for Rupp and Farah because of their exceptional durability/ ability to recover.
I'm sure Al Sal gave him a shot, but after however long he was injured/reinjured it must have been clear this was not going to ever work. Al Sal was never going to change his system for a prospect.
This isn't a knock on Ulrey - I think he will be much better off doing what is right for him and adopting a training system that keeps him healthy and allows his talent to show. That situation was probably super stressful and I'm not surprised he is happy to peace the hell out of there.
You "remember reading somewhere"? What a great source, f-tard. Also, what are they going to shoot up prior to a race that would help? Epipens have already been debunked as a benefit, so don't waste our time.
A lot of unregistered Nike Shills
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So you're saying a high percentage of people who leave the program because they're not satisfied with it report not having been satisfied with it? That's a heck of a contribution you're making.
You are simplifying the issue to: If x athlete leaves program because he's not satisfied, he won't have anything good to say about the program. Athlete's like Ulrey could identify peers that fit the program/do well under NOP, or say something like, "hey it works for these people, the program just wasn't for me though." There is a subtle difference.
It makes sense Ulrey was always hurt at NOP. He was a low mileage, speed based 800/1500 runner. Trying to train with 10,000m runners with the high mileage and long workouts was a recipe for disaster. Unfortunately it took him 2 years to come to that realization.
Remember Ulrey ran a 3:35 1500 and qualified for the world championships in 2009 as a 21 year old college junior. Hopefully his story won't be the same as so many other promising young runners: loads of talent, but injuries never allowed them to fulfill their potential.