McMillian Elite Running Company is shutting down.

End of the second running boom, with all these elite groups shutting down and elite athlete support from races going down the Suwannee River.

That's right back to the days of training while in law school and having pressure to succeed.

Survival of the fittest. McMillan never stood a chance. The amazing thing is that many bought the snake oil.

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sxsw wrote:

I don't know if this has garnered any public attention yet, but McMillian Elite will be losing Adidas sponsorship after Christmas. I assume this will greatly effect their elite training group.

In a related story, President Kennedy has been shot.

When was the last NEW athlete to join McMillan (sorta) Elite? The only news over the last year has been the mass exodus.

Eclo wrote:

Well, not any, as the Nike Oregon Project will be fine and in existence as long as Salazar is around.

or Nike pulls the plug on it, which is exactly the point of the original message

CO bound wrote:

Aaron Braun had already left the group and moved to CO and has a different coach in CO

Please go on...

this made me laugh...

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aren't braun and gotcher actual adidas athletes, as opposed to just mcmillan elite athletes? i thought i remember that occurring for gotcher at a minimum, after he debuted in houston.

Read your response again wrote:

or Nike pulls the plug on it, which is exactly the point of the original message

Nike will never, ever pull the plug on Nike Oregon Project. It's been around for over 10 years now. Many of you just don't remember the first incarnation that included Dan Brown and Chad Johnson (and others) living in a special altitude house and training for marathons using high tech gadgets in the early 2000s.

The only way NOP is going to go away is if Salazar retires from coaching.

Nike is a much different company than adidas. Nike will never have to restructure their running department.

Salazar is in good with the powers that be a Nike (he has a Nike swoosh tattooed on his arm too). NOP will be alive and well for as long as Salazar wants it to be.

Also, what was the story the past 2 years with McMillan Elite?

I know Fagan left, went solo than got busted (what's he up to these days)? Lemoncello? Gotcher?

It seemed like they had a stable of really solid guys but people were always leaving.

1/29/2010 John Hadd open up one thread and did post with the nickname of Ö what follows.

At that occasion, come in defence of McMillan the usual Lydiardists. Wet Coast (Kershall), HRE, Rekrunner, the usual ones.

3 years late, actually it´s obvious that John Hadd was right and the others were wrong.

By the way, just my curiosity. What was been the progression of that 2:13 Gotcher McMillan marathon runner, that many Lydiard experts did visualise to him a long term progression coached by McMillan?

Someone might inform me please ?

Finally one sentence took from John Hadd "time is the great master".

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=3396308

Greg McMillan 1/29/2010

Ö…

Based on his interview I predict a short running career to his runners. Beyond 2 hours a day you don´t get mitochondrial growth anymore, and injury/overtraining risks increases dramatically. He obviously isn´t a big believer of individualized coaching:

"What He Learned From Arthur Lydiard - Developing The Aerobic System Is The Key To Performance (61:30 )

"There is plenty of information to show that developing the aerobic system is the key to ultimate performance. You have to raise your aerobic ability and that comes from logging mileage consistently - year after year - and building that ability to run mileage year after year. Doing long runs virtually every week, year-round is beneficial and when athletes do that in a way that they stay healthy and they can be consistent then, they begin to run faster and faster.

"You can go back to Arthur Lydiard and that was really his point. How many people can run 59 seconds for 400 but they can’t break 4 minutes for the mile - so they need more endurance. So I think that has to be the foundation of everyone’s training. Luckily, a lot more coaches are going to a system where they are not afraid to run more mileage."

"What’s really interesting is we know the amount of mileage that athletes have to run to perform well" (64:40)

"What’s really interesting is we know the amount of mileage that athletes have to run to perform well. We know the training that it takes to be great. The problem is we can’t do that training yet so we have to take a step back and say I need to do this training to get that training. But we can’t do that training yet so we are three steps behind.

"My belief is that for our runners to be successful in the marathon, they need to be able to run between 120 and 150 miles a week. That’s what almost all of the great runners have done. We need to get them to that point and we need to be smart in how we get them there.

Once they can do that, then we can step back and we can look at how can we push the pace faster, how can we get marathon-specific training going. And that’s what we’ve done with Brett – we took 2.5 years to build him where he can get into that zone and he’s just in it. We only had 5 weeks before the marathon above 120 with one week above 140 so he’s certainly getting in good volume, but I’d love to see us get in 6 or 8 weeks above 130 and average 135 or so.

"We just have to run more. You have to be smart in how you do it but you can’t be afraid of running more.

"When I was (working with) Dr. (Gabriel) Rosa, that was the time when Moses Tanui was running very well and winning a lot of races, he’d run maybe 170 miles a week on occasion. You can’t be afraid (of mileage) and the Japanese certainly aren’t."

Speak English.

redux wrote:

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HAHAHHAHAH +1 internets for you

Having paid a decent sum for "individualized" coaching from the man, which turned out to be anything but, I can't say I'm surprised in the outcome.

ESL wrote:

Speak English.

John Hadd died but he is alive, while McMillan is death.

John Hadd is right while HRE, Nobby, Rekrunner, Wellnow, West Coast (Kershall) they are wrong.

Sorry my poor english but i still understand what´s the meaning of Speak English. I don´t speak i just try to write in english, you stupid.

Huh? Re-read the thread and tell me how I defended McMillan. Regarding McMillan, I only pointed out that McMillan said "you have to be smart".Ironically, my Lydiard ideas about high mileage and long runs originate from Hadd.

Antonio Cabral wrote:

1/29/2010 John Hadd open up one thread and did post with the nickname of Ö what follows.

At that occasion, come in defence of McMillan the usual Lydiardists. Wet Coast (Kershall), HRE, Rekrunner, the usual ones.

Antonio,

At this point, McMillan's "death" is still just a rumor from some "close elite friend" of some anonymous "sxsw".

What exactly did Hadd/"O" say that you think is right? You are a firm believer in specificity -- please be specific.

What exactly did "HRE, Nobby, Rekrunner, Wellnow, West Coast (Kershall)" say that you claim was "wrong"?

"wellnow"? He didn't contribute to the McMillan thread. Good luck with that.

For what it is worth give Greg some credit. He jumped in the arena and by doing so left himself open to criticism. He was willing to start a post collegiate group and offer opportunities to many aspiring and emerging elites - whether or not folks on this web discussion think he did a good job is not the point. He gave it a go. For those ready first and foremost point out what Greg didn\'t do (half this damn board) I encourage you to attempt anything near what he put together. If we had 20 Greg\'s Hansons Rogues ZAPP etc we would continue to have more outliers. Thank you for your efforts Greg.