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I honestly just can't get past this.
If your livelihood is running and your sponsors pay you to do so under the pretext that you are clean and you conform to any and every antidoping measure you possibly can, you actually think it's a GOOD THING that a couple of message board owners ENCOURAGE people to throw out assertions concerning doping based on NOTHING more than improvement?
I mean, are you actually serious?
If I'm a sponsor and I see one of my athlete's having their name strewn the mud REPEATEDLY by a website like this then I'm going to be quite taken aback for NO OTHER REASON than some SCUMBAGS being so insecure that they can't fathom someone working harder and being successful at a sport they "allegedly" enjoy.
And yet you think you're helping the sport? Are you insane?!!
The anything it has to do with is you saying: "It's ridiculous to try and compare the two.", cycling and running(in the context of this thread), both endurance sports. Idiot.
You are full of crap; and by the disappearing and re-appearing posts tonight my guess is you are drunk, stoned, or scared.
None of your defenses of your behavior towards Rupp get any serious consideration from me UNTIL you acknowledge that your allowing people to call Rupp homophobic names on this website for YEARS, and did not delete such messages when you saw them (unless "2 people or more reported it" in your own words) was wrong, unfair, and bad to the sport.
And then post an open apology to Rupp and his Family.
Otherwise you are just pimping your sad asz on the front page, and making another illustration of what an idiot you are right here.
One question: How many times have you or your brother been in the "mixed zone" and had the chance to ask Rupp a question?
As I said, you never asked a PED question, because you know in your gut he is clean.
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We're talking about Lance vs. Rupp. This thread about Rupp was started SOLELY BECAUSE HE RAN FASTER than Patrick White thought he should have.
That I have to point that out to you says far more about the level of idiocy I'm responding to than it does anything else.
TOTALLY disingenuous. The thing is, if we were sitting around a pub with 5 knowledgeable runners, having a few beers and Weldon Johnson floated this crap? He'd be shouted down.
Rupp is the most covered American High School phenom EVER. EVERY piece of his progression has been reported.
Okay, IF that wasn't obvious enough (I mean it is all out there on the web...avaialble 24/7) Wheldon and Robert Johnson and Lackey # 3 have written or linked to almost all of it, and certainly all of it in the past 6 years.
@"post it noter" People discussed on letsrun.com whether I was doping myself because of my own improvement. It comes with the territory. I considered it the ultimate compliment to my improvement.
I don't think it harmed the sport at all. It caused me to want to push for even more stringent testing to show what can be done by clean athletes.
So @"post it noter" and @"A Duck" and @"Track Coach" what is the magic formula for when letsrun.com can allow discussions on doping. @"Track Coach" says it's ok to allow it for Makhloufi, but apparently we're crazy if we allow it for Solomon or Rupp.
@"Track Coach" wrote "Solomon is not like a Taoufik Makhloufi who never placed in a major competition and then wins the Olympic gold medal."
For the record, Makhloufi did run 3:32.94 in Monaco in 2010 according to all-athletics. I'm sure many people in Algeria have perfectly good explanations for his improvement.
What about Manzano? Can we allow the discussion for him? Because if Makhloufi is cheating then that would make Manzano the gold medalist. Would he be on limits or off limits?
I guess some magic birdy is supposed to tell us when it is OK?
Or is it we're only not supposed to allow it for athletes we like and "know" are clean ie the Americans?
The point is one I like to reiterate. Paula Radcliffe said at the end of the day you ultimately only know about one athlete being clean or dirty, yourself.
You want to talk about who the idiot is?
UCI flip-flopped on Bio Passports.
IAAF did not.
The comparison, you moron, is between UCI and IAAF.
If you had a brain in your head you would get that.
The two sports have nothing to do with each other IN AN INTELLIGENT AND FINAL ANALYSIS, BECAUSE THEY HAVE DIFFERENT GOVERNING BODIES OVERSEEING THE TESTING.
"We're talking about Lance vs. Rupp"
Lance = endurance athlete - Rupp = endurance athlete.
Get it?, idiot.
This thread is not about people accusing you Wheldon, that is your old defense and is disingenuous.
Now, if Salazar had started a website where he let people call you a "Fa_got" for 6 years, and personally attack and trash you -- and create a sub culture of hate on the web on one website...
Then you can float that defense.
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And you think that's acceptable? You think that's okay?
Well that goes a long ways in dissecting your dysfunctional outlook on sport.
But you saying that's a compliment? Yeah. Had you continued to improve you would actually welcome such behavior throughout your career? Baseless accusations slung your way PURELY because you got faster? You don't think that would have an impact on your view of the sport or your running or your own enjoyment of it?
Look how jaded you are now!
And how do you think any potential sponsors would feel knowing that EVERY SINGLE ONE of your performances is cast under a shadow of doping for NO OTHER REASON than someone else couldn't do it so have simply decided you couldn't either?
You guys go on and on about t&f being on the fringe and not taken seriously and sponsors not paying out but why the hell would they when YOU GUYS go out of your way to drag down any and every performance you can find?
What brand wants to be continually associated with that? It's absurd!
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Lance comes back from cancer and wins 7 TdFs at a time when people are coming out of the woodwork describing the drug issue in cycling (Festina & Voet, etc).
Rupp runs a time that he essentially ran last year.
I mean, at this point I don't know if I can make this any clearer to you. I fear a color picture might be necessary to get this through you obviously stunted ability to think critically.
Wheldon get a clue:
Makhloufi vis a vis Manzano has been discussed on this board...for like 30 minutes.
What there isn't here, is an 8 year history of every detail of Makhloufi's career, and your allowing thousands of anonymos posts attacking Rupp as "g_y," attacking his looks, and people posting whole baked slanderous lies about him.
One at a time: I dare you to answer 100% honestly.
>1. You allowed immature and hateful people to personally attack Rupp as "g_y" because of his first name. You let it go on for years. You both even posted on the same threads without deleting those kinds of personal attacks on the guy. You allowed it to happen when he was technically a child in high school. At that time you also let people accuse him of being on PEDS. You allowed a hate crime type culture of hate to foster here. You did nothing to stop it for years.
Why no Zero Tolerance towards hate crime level personal attacks on this kid for years?
^That space above is for your 100% Honest Answer
The space below is for your Personal Apology To Galen Rupp And his Family
"No generation was exempt or ┤clean┤." (Lance Armstrong)
Of course it┤s impossible to say who is a doper and who is not without a clear test result. We should keep in mind that improvement is the character of sport (though there are limits).
Research scientists say again and again that after a hard workout recovery time is about 24 hours minimum, up to 36 hours average. Contrariwise physiologists still have to work hard to understand the human body.
Look at the workouts of many elites and where they like to train. What the hell is going on? These guys have to accept being asked questions.
Your position on "Andre Dawson" like posts lacks any credibility. It is anonymous lies, and should be deleted.
Your explanation / defense is that of a immature child.
This is NOT an NFL Forum. (Most of those have been totally if not WAY cleaned up, anyway).
Track and Field is a far smaller community. You have a greater responsibility.
OR, you are an insult to the sport.
Because if you want to really have any credibility and do any critical thinking, you would take the time stay focused on the athletes performances AND ALL THE PUBLIC DATA ABOUT THEIR TRAINING.
IN the case of Rupp you know he is clean. And your excuse for NOT asking him a PEDS question????
Lame, disingenuous, and I believe you are lying to cover your real motives.
ADUck- It's funny, you manage to write in a manner where you alienate people who try to agree with you on some points. Try less words.
Some people do not like Rupp - I am not sure why. But you can't pin all of that on the Brojos. I would say that it went on for too long on this site without editing. And it is the case that Letsrun took time to edit out other topics. That said, if Salazar can talk to them, I think we can move forward..
The broader point is that the doping assertions should not be made so casually. There is no value in that. We need thoughtful discussion, not name calling.
You can state you can't remember the last time an elite refused you an interview -- but let's look at the facts.
From memory, the last time you had a decent dedicated real interview with an athlete, it was Shadrick Kiptoo-Biwott. 4 years ago.
Getting to ask a question or two in the mixed zone when an athlete may not know who you are...is not an interview in this context.
You NEVER have regular interviews with elites the way EVERY OTHER LEGIT TRACK AND RUNNING NEWS OUTLET DOES.
So you can say you can't remember the last time an elite refused you an interview -- and it MEANS NOTHING.
1.) Because you never really have such interviews.
2.) You don't remember being refused, BECAUSE YOU STOPPED ASKING, because they all AVOID YOU LIKE THE PLAGUE.
3. I have actually seen you post a video "interview" from the mixed zone where an athlete is answering questions to the journalists around you...things thin out a little and you or your brother asks the athlete a question THE ATHLETE ANSWERED, LOOKED DOWN, READ YOUR CREDENTIAL, SAW WHERE YOU WERE FROM and split, LOL. In Your Face, Wheldon. Shut down.
Over the last 5 years I have read NUMEROUS athletes refer to this place as a "must avoid" on their blogs. OF course they use the generic "internet message boards," but EVERYONE knows it is you they are talking about.
I laughed my asz off when you guys posted that mixed zone clip of your own, and the athlete looked down, red your badge and then split. Hahaha. FU buddy was the message.
Now, what is important about that -- is it shows what a low member of the track and running community you really are.
Lauren Fleshman stated recently how elites AVOID this website.
Read this essay: http://www.propellermag.com/Summer2012/Heald1Summer12.html
See how you are depicted? THAT'S YOUR REP.
"Onto my arguments?"
You don't answer arguments, as I have stated you reply with straw man argument bs, and mis-direction.
Let me make this beyond obvious for you (and really the fact that you can't, won't or don't answer these things directly just makes you look stupid).
"asking Carmelita Jeter about her association with Mark Block at the Olympics." Is a gimme.
Mark Block has a ten year ban.
She's been seen with Mark Block.
The question should be "Carmelita have you ever used Performance Enhancing Drugs?"
Now, was that clear?
PS, my version of reality is damned straight different than yours.
It's logical and evidence based.
I've paid attention over the years. You guys, as former runners, could have had a really great site, and done so much service and good for running and track. The access you could have had.
Instead you run this delusion that you are helping the sport by providing an anonymous hole, encouraging insecure and juvenile noodnicks like yourself to trash athletes.
As I've said before, because of the environment you've created, just about every athlete gets accused by some poster over time.
What you don't do...if you really wanted to be vigilante journalist, is do the work of the real journalists who first accused Lance Armstrong.