consider it "altitude training". Bandana doesn't even affect breathing that much anyway, just gets annoyingly damp. Suck it up. Or once again, maybe running just isn't your sport.
consider it "altitude training". Bandana doesn't even affect breathing that much anyway, just gets annoyingly damp. Suck it up. Or once again, maybe running just isn't your sport.
So we are suppose to wear a mask or face covering even when we are outside running with no one near us while our president and vise president don't have to wear one while near others indoors even when in a hospital where the policy is that all wear a mask?
From the below article:
Vice President Mike Pence on Tuesday responded to criticisms that he defied Mayo Clinic policy by not wearing a mask during his visit to the campus, saying he complied with federal guidelines and felt it his duty to speak to workers at the facility unencumbered by a facial covering.
"As vice president of the United States I'm tested for the coronavirus on a regular basis, and everyone who is around me is tested for the coronavirus," he told reporters, saying he is following Centers for Disease Control and Prevention guidelines.
The CDC recommends wearing cloth face masks in public to help prevent transmitting the virus to others.
"And since I don't have the coronavirus, I thought it'd be a good opportunity for me to be here, to be able to speak to these researchers, these incredible health care personnel, and look them in the eye and say thank you."
Instructions on the Mayo Clinic website request that all patients, visitors and personnel bring and wear a face mask to help prevent the spread of the coronavirus.
In a tweet eventually deleted but captured in screenshots and by the Internet Archive's Wayback machine, the Mayo Clinic wrote that it had "informed @VP of the masking policy prior to his arrival today."
The Mayo Clinic visit is one of two trips Pence will conduct this week as the White House seeks to ease back into travel.
Trump himself has not publicly worn face masks during press briefings and other events, saying earlier this month: "I just don't want to wear one myself. It's a recommendation. They recommend it."
"I don't know. Somehow, I don't see it for myself," Trump said during an April 3 coronavirus task force briefing.
it's not like there is convincing evidence that masks on general public reduce risk of transmission in outdoors settings. This really is grasping at straws. Between the hazards of contamination (touching mask then common surfaces, etc) and limited barrier non N95 masks actually provide (Annals Internal Medicine study of very small sample Covid19 patients) there's not much science behind exercising in a mask.
Translation, i for one would be writing my own doctor's note to not wear one while exercising in public were i unfortunate enough to be in somerville/cambridge.
get out of somerville you softies wrote:
consider it "altitude training". Bandana doesn't even affect breathing that much anyway, just gets annoyingly damp. Suck it up. Or once again, maybe running just isn't your sport.
im fairly certain that myth has been debunked several times already
georgecklo wrote:
Stupidity of the government.
For physically very fit people, this virus is just a bad flu.
To be physically very fit, people need to go out and run. Making it harder for people to go out and run is counter productive.
I agree that running with a mask on is ridiculous, but you really don't get the issue that if you get this virus, you become a vector for infecting physically unfit people for whom this virus is a serious threat to their lives????
Here in Houston a Harris County Democrat judge mandated the wearing of masks with a $1,000 fine to go along with the mandate. People have lost their jobs, are facing eviction and are unable to feed their families and this 29-year old lady wants to fine everyone $1,000. Fortunately, the police officers were instructed by the mayor/police chief to avoid issuing citations and instead issue out masks. Monday is when the mandate took effect. Again, fortunately, the Republican governor pretty much struck down the fine.
Sally Vix wrote:
Here in Houston a Harris County Democrat judge mandated the wearing of masks with a $1,000 fine to go along with the mandate. People have lost their jobs, are facing eviction and are unable to feed their families and this 29-year old lady wants to fine everyone $1,000. Fortunately, the police officers were instructed by the mayor/police chief to avoid issuing citations and instead issue out masks. Monday is when the mandate took effect. Again, fortunately, the Republican governor pretty much struck down the fine.
That's a great story of a solution that uses kindness rather than punishment to solve a problem in a more effective manner. By the way, keeping on your partisan angle here, you conveniently forgot to mention that the Mayor of Houston, the real hero in this story, is a Democrat.
Kvothe wrote:
get out of somerville you softies wrote:
If it's really too much of an inconvenience to wear a bandana or mask on your runs, maybe running isn't your sport. You also take days off if it's too cold? If you have to wear a hat?
Fines are a pretty reasonable response given the number of self-absorbed morons in the boston area. Peabody has fines in place up to $1000 for the same thing. THAT might be excessive
Have you ever broken 8 in the mile? Do you know what running with something over your face is like? If you are just a hobby jogger who only does easy runs I forgive you for not understanding how reduced airflow will severely affect a run for someone trying to run fast.
You sound like a wimp. It's also really strange that you chose 8 min in the mile as some arbitrary threshold of fast.
Sally Vix wrote:
Here in Houston a Harris County Democrat judge mandated the wearing of masks with a $1,000 fine to go along with the mandate. People have lost their jobs, are facing eviction and are unable to feed their families and this 29-year old lady wants to fine everyone $1,000. Fortunately, the police officers were instructed by the mayor/police chief to avoid issuing citations and instead issue out masks. Monday is when the mandate took effect. Again, fortunately, the Republican governor pretty much struck down the fine.
Seems like they could redistribute $$$ collected from fines to feed the families, no?
Grassrunner wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
Here in Houston a Harris County Democrat judge mandated the wearing of masks with a $1,000 fine to go along with the mandate. People have lost their jobs, are facing eviction and are unable to feed their families and this 29-year old lady wants to fine everyone $1,000. Fortunately, the police officers were instructed by the mayor/police chief to avoid issuing citations and instead issue out masks. Monday is when the mandate took effect. Again, fortunately, the Republican governor pretty much struck down the fine.
That's a great story of a solution that uses kindness rather than punishment to solve a problem in a more effective manner. By the way, keeping on your partisan angle here, you conveniently forgot to mention that the Mayor of Houston, the real hero in this story, is a Democrat.
You are correct. I applaud Sylvester Turner for his common sense solution.
Dril wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
Here in Houston a Harris County Democrat judge mandated the wearing of masks with a $1,000 fine to go along with the mandate. People have lost their jobs, are facing eviction and are unable to feed their families and this 29-year old lady wants to fine everyone $1,000. Fortunately, the police officers were instructed by the mayor/police chief to avoid issuing citations and instead issue out masks. Monday is when the mandate took effect. Again, fortunately, the Republican governor pretty much struck down the fine.
Seems like they could redistribute $$$ collected from fines to feed the families, no?
I was really curious to how many Houstonians would be wearing masks on Monday and many going into grocery stores but the majority of others were not. Houston/Harris County maybe has 6 million residents and they could be issuing billions of citations each day if they strived to do so.
jimmy jack wrote:
"It also applies to sidewalks, streets, paths, and squares. And there are no exceptions for joggers and cyclists."
"Somerville’s order — which takes effect on Wednesday, but with a one-week grace period — comes with a potential $300 fine. And unlike in Brookline, city officials say it will be enforced by Somerville police."
https://www.boston.com/news/coronavirus/2020/04/27/somerville-face-covering-mask-order-coronavirus
small government, baby. What do you want?
Not us. I've been training in the warm and sun and haven't worn the mask and gloves. Even at the doctor's office, the workers were not wearing masks unless one chose it.
We were taught the masks were more harmful, especially if one already was sick.
And we know that those ventilators make it worse. They tell a lot of lies to control you. Just look at the followers. On Friday, all of our businesses can open up.
georgecklo wrote:
Stupidity of the government.
For physically very fit people, this virus is just a bad flu.
To be physically very fit, people need to go out and run. Making it harder for people to go out and run is counter productive.
This.
We'll all have to learn to live with the virus. We can't wait for a vaccine, it would be nice but don't count on it within a year. Hence, smart policy would encourage people to get in shape, not to stay at home.
And a mask is absolutely not necessary outside.
Who are the snowflakes now? So many tough-guy libertarian conservative types can't handle the thought of putting a little cloth over your face? I also dislike the feeling of a mask around my mouth and nose, but jeez, you can't handle some adversity? What do you do 3/4 of the way into a race when it hurts, sit down for a while because your calves are tired? Wear a bandana around your chin and pull it up when people are around. It's not that difficult.
There are people in comas on ventilators, not to mention the nurses, doctors, grocery workers, mail clerks, and on and on who are exposed to a potential death sentence every day, and you are complaining about being asked to potentially reduce the spread of this virus. You can argue about the probability of it spreading while you and your super-fit-couldn't-ever-get-sick body are spewing air out of your face, but the fact is, we just don't know for sure.
Wearing a mask reduces the chance of spreading illness and sends a social signal that, as a community, we are battling a common cause. If you are tied up in a knot about the small amount of personal sacrifice this represents, good luck if you are ever called on to do real service to your town, state, or country.
real talk. wrote:
[quote]georgecklo wrote:
Stupidity of the government.
For physically very fit people, this virus is just a bad flu.
To be physically very fit, people need to go out and run. Making it harder for people to go out and run is counter productive.
No. a) you don't know this for sure and b) the world is not filled athletes. How selfish do you have to be to advocate policies for only the physically fittest, most resilient person in a society?
Softies beware wrote:
Who are the snowflakes now? So many tough-guy libertarian conservative types can't handle the thought of putting a little cloth over your face? I also dislike the feeling of a mask around my mouth and nose, but jeez, you can't handle some adversity? What do you do 3/4 of the way into a race when it hurts, sit down for a while because your calves are tired? Wear a bandana around your chin and pull it up when people are around. It's not that difficult.
There are people in comas on ventilators, not to mention the nurses, doctors, grocery workers, mail clerks, and on and on who are exposed to a potential death sentence every day, and you are complaining about being asked to potentially reduce the spread of this virus. You can argue about the probability of it spreading while you and your super-fit-couldn't-ever-get-sick body are spewing air out of your face, but the fact is, we just don't know for sure.
Wearing a mask reduces the chance of spreading illness and sends a social signal that, as a community, we are battling a common cause. If you are tied up in a knot about the small amount of personal sacrifice this represents, good luck if you are ever called on to do real service to your town, state, or country.
Don't pull your mask up/down, if you're infected you're getting virus all over your hands when you do that. Great way to spread it onto doorknobs or infect yourself from something you touched.
We know that it's vanishingly unlikely that you'll catch this disease because someone ran by without a mask. That's just not how the infection works. Wear the mask when you go to enclosed public spaces and cut your interaction with others to the bare minimum. There you go, that's what will move the needle, not "social signaling".
Cambridge just instituted the same order; I was kinda mad, because it's a dumb order (it's really hard to get this outside... also I already had it almost two months ago and am immune now), but it's also *really* easy to just hop across to the other side of the Charles, which is better to run on anyway. Also, they were already chasing people off the MIT track; any other place you want to run is just as convenient and/or better on the Boston side.
It's still not as bad as Brookline's rule against playing catch with people in your household in public parks, though.
(Mass has handled this really well in general (maybe not Ohio or California well, but I've been pretty happy with the state government), but the Boston inner suburbs seem to have some really weird people in city government. I'm still kinda shocked they didn't just close a bunch of streets to through traffic instead in order to let pedestrians spread out more).
Dril wrote:
Kvothe wrote:
Have you ever broken 8 in the mile? Do you know what running with something over your face is like? If you are just a hobby jogger who only does easy runs I forgive you for not understanding how reduced airflow will severely affect a run for someone trying to run fast.
You sound like a wimp. It's also really strange that you chose 8 min in the mile as some arbitrary threshold of fast.
I could be a wimp, who knows. I only care about how fast I can race. I chose 8 minutes because its a time that most people won't run unless they've done at least a little training. Anyone who's done enough running, ie a few runs a week for a few weeks will realize that running with a mask on would suck.
Sally Vix wrote:
Here in Houston a Harris County Democrat judge mandated the wearing of masks with a $1,000 fine to go along with the mandate. People have lost their jobs, are facing eviction and are unable to feed their families and this 29-year old lady wants to fine everyone $1,000. Fortunately, the police officers were instructed by the mayor/police chief to avoid issuing citations and instead issue out masks. Monday is when the mandate took effect. Again, fortunately, the Republican governor pretty much struck down the fine.
I wouldn't want to run with a mask, but if a cop were to stop me and give me one, I'd just suck it up and put it on for the rest of the run.
