New York City has a 0.6% death rate from confirmed COVID-19 cases.

reason >>facts wrote:

Why do you insist on some fake #s?? Look at NYC! Ice trucks were brought in for all of the bodies. Why can't you see all of the people dying due to this virus?

You do know that's been debunked right? You also know that the ice rink story in Spain has been debunked also right?

Ice is good to keep things frozen though- that is true.

Try to kick start your critical thinking skills- stop watching TV- makes you dumber- that is proven.

Bad Wigins wrote:

0.1% once you eliminate all the fake "covid-19-related" deaths that it didn't actually cause.

When will Cuomo order all those "died with covid" presumptions to be reviewed, now that obviously many of them merely reflected the high baseline infection rate and had nothing to do with actual covid disease?

It's mister 2600 himself, fanning the conspiracy theory flames about the worldwide cabal of physicians getting together to juke the stats!

You're a blithering idiot, BW.

860,000 cases (and 50k deaths) =/= 2600 cases

moran

I am Sam wrote:

How does lock down affect the percentage of infected people dying?

Well, if the common flu has a 0.1% death rate, we didn't have any lockdown when 61,000 Americans died in the 2017-18 winter season.

Do you want a lockdown at 0.2%?

Do you want a lockdown at 0.3%?

Do you want a lockdown at 0.4%?

Do you want a lockdown at 0.5%?

What number do you want?

Thinking about it wrote:

Oh and I believe NYC population to be 8.4M

So 21% of it is 1.764M

Deaths as of today for NYC: 16338

16338/1,764,000*100=0.92619

Where does the 0.6 figure comes from? you might ask.

"The results were from a state program that tested 3,000 supermarket customers across New York State."

It was sponsored by New York State, and they took random samples from people in supermarkets, so there is no "self-selection bias".

"It would also mean that the fatality rate from the virus was relatively low, about 0.5 percent, Mr. Cuomo said."

You also cannot move the goalposts and say that the 0.9% is accurate when you only count New York City. That's unfair.

It's possible that urban dwellers have increased exposure to the virus because of the population density. It's also possible that you have confounding factors like increased pollution which would affect their immune system and survival rates.

facts and reason wrote:

I am Sam wrote:

How does lock down affect the percentage of infected people dying?

Well, if the common flu has a 0.1% death rate, we didn't have any lockdown when 61,000 Americans died in the 2017-18 winter season.

Do you want a lockdown at 0.2%?

Do you want a lockdown at 0.3%?

Do you want a lockdown at 0.4%?

Do you want a lockdown at 0.5%?

What number do you want?

Don't know why I'm bothering to respond to you, BUT...

Suppose COVID-19 has a 0.5% fatality rate and 50% of the population is infected by the end of the pandemic (low end of the estimate with no immunity or vaccine).

That would result in 25x the number of deaths of a normal flu season (>750,000 deaths).

Now assume COVID-19 has a 1% fatality rate and infects 80% of the population. That would be as bad as 80x a flu season (> 2 million deaths).

0.6% death rate is still pretty brutal

Funny how 2000+ unnecessary deaths a day in the country is seen as collateral by some

That's effectively a 9/11 happening every day l, and jesus christ we reacted to that - we banned songs by Rage Against The Machine and renamed fries as "freedom fries"

XChurdler wrote:

uhh yeah wrote:

Won’t those people die anyway? I mean you can’t hide forever, eventually nearly 100% will be exposed. I get slowing it for healthcare systems to catch up but beyond that what else can you do? Just stay home forever? It’s not feasible.

If they can avoid it until a vaccine or therapy to treat it is available, then they could survive.

Okay, let's just hide inside for 12-18 months best case, but more likely years since the fastest they've rolled out vaccines in the modern era is a decade. You neurotic stay at home morons can't torpedo society on account of your OCD delusion bull shiz forever.

Hank Texas wrote:

0.6% death rate is still pretty brutal

Funny how 2000+ unnecessary deaths a day in the country is seen as collateral by some

That's effectively a 9/11 happening every day l, and jesus christ we reacted to that - we banned songs by Rage Against The Machine and renamed fries as "freedom fries"

At this point, the virus can't be stopped. The only way to do that theoretically is to have everyone hide in their homes while the only economic activity centers on groceries, take out, and digital media. People keep bumbling about needing a vaccine, but that will take years. It's astounding how many of you morons think we can just hide in our homes for years while charging stimulus packages to the national credit card without any negative externalities such as widespread mental/emotional health issues, substance abuse, suicides, crime, and lives put on hold for years due to no graduations, marriages, and children. That's to say nothing of the famine that is projected to occur in developing countries.

I sympathize with the vulnerable and their concerns and feel horrible that people are dying from this, but things will get much worse if we don't let the vast majority of people who won't die from this go back to their normal lives.

Hank Texas wrote:

0.6% death rate is still pretty brutal

Funny how 2000+ unnecessary deaths a day in the country is seen as collateral by some

That's effectively a 9/11 happening every day l, and jesus christ we reacted to that - we banned songs by Rage Against The Machine and renamed fries as "freedom fries"

Well said. After 9/11, jingoistic patriotism went through the roof and many Americans were fine with increased surveillance and government intervention, in the name of fighting a foreign enemy. The same people who were gung ho about getting Osama Bin Laden, et al are now protesting the state governments that are trying to protect society from an overwhelming illness.

Hank Texas wrote:

0.6% death rate is still pretty brutal

Funny how 2000+ unnecessary deaths a day in the country is seen as collateral by some

That's effectively a 9/11 happening every day l, and jesus christ we reacted to that - we banned songs by Rage Against The Machine and renamed fries as "freedom fries"

Let’s assume 40.000.000 Americans get infected this year (a little more than 10%).

Let’s assume a fatality rate of 0.6%.

That would mean 240.000 deaths due to coronavirus.

Charlesvdw wrote:

Let’s assume 40.000.000 Americans get infected this year (a little more than 10%).

Let’s assume a fatality rate of 0.6%.

That would mean 240.000 deaths due to coronavirus.

Let's assume New York has a higher death rate because of increased pollution, then that could mean 0.3% for a national average which would be 120,000 deaths of mostly the old and those with preexisting health conditions.

That's double the 61,000 Americans that died in 2017-18. Why are 60,000 extra deaths a reason for a lockdown while the other 61,000 deaths are "fine"?

facts and reason wrote:

Charlesvdw wrote:

Let’s assume 40.000.000 Americans get infected this year (a little more than 10%).

Let’s assume a fatality rate of 0.6%.

That would mean 240.000 deaths due to coronavirus.

Let's assume New York has a higher death rate because of increased pollution, then that could mean 0.3% for a national average which would be 120,000 deaths of mostly the old and those with preexisting health conditions.

That's double the 61,000 Americans that died in 2017-18. Why are 60,000 extra deaths a reason for a lockdown while the other 61,000 deaths are "fine"?

I'm sorry that this is such a hard concept for you to understand.

Yes, and all the people who were worried about government overreach, corrupt and lying leaders and media are all now totally fine with that stuff.

0.8% Death rate

x75.0% Infected

x330 Million Population

= 1,980,000 deaths.

This is almost exactly what I and others have been predicting from the beginning if we let it run its course naturally.

I'm still hopeful for some better treatments or more antibody tests that find death rate is even lower than that (as a few already have)

No one wants 2 million US citizens to die from this, which is why we're trying to do what we're doing.

0.65% Death rate in 1918-19 Influenza Pandemic so NY is at that level. US felt more impact by the Flu than it did WWI. Is the concentration for 0.6% death rate NY entirely or just the city.

US Death Rate: 0.05980177%

US Infection Rate: 0.85676401%

Recovery rate of those infected: 27.66809081%

Fatality rate for those infected: 6.9799578%

65.35195139% of those who have been infected by coronavirus and have not died are still infected. It can take up to 14-days to feel effects of virus and 2 to 6 weeks to recover so that implies 65.3% have had the virus since Feb 24 at the earliest and April 10th the latest.

facts and reason wrote:

https://www.businessinsider.com/south-korea-coronavirus-testing-death-rate-2020-3?op=1

"South Korea has tested more than 140,000 people for the new coronavirus and confirmed more than 6,000 cases. Its fatality rate is around 0.6%".

The new study from New York City matches Korea's death rate of 0.6%.

This is the moral dilemma. Should we open up schools and stores if 0.6% will die?

What is the number that you are "comfortable" with?

If the majority of the .6% is at risk people who would have died in the next couple of years whether they got the virus or not I'd say open the floodgates and return to normal life.

Maybe the at-risk individuals who have the means to isolate themselves from society should.

I think the .6% is also the highest possible, I think as we get more data we are likely going to see that decline as well as once we recognize that a certain percentage of Covid deaths really should have been classified as other causes.

If the .6% dieing were young healthy individuals I think this would be a much more difficult decision. But the death rate amongst healthy individuals is very, very low.

Primo Numero Uno wrote:

I think the .6% is also the highest possible, I think as we get more data we are likely going to see that decline as well as once we recognize that a certain percentage of Covid deaths really should have been classified as other causes.

If the .6% dieing were young healthy individuals I think this would be a much more difficult decision. But the death rate amongst healthy individuals is very, very low.

There are towns in Italy where >1% of the population has died, so it's not the highest possible.

Do you think people would just "return to normal life" if they know it would result in 250k-1million excess deaths?

Do people really think the government is to blame solely for the economy in the tubes?

New York now able to look ahead with the capacity of 40,000 tests a day & numbers starting to decline.

Meanwhile the more trump-dependent areas remain without any strategy.