This will blow your mind. Proof that no one really has any idea what they are talking about with Covid-19

Here is the data on smokers via the CDC.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6913e2.htm#T1_down

Wow. That's insane that smokers only make up 1.3% of the hospitalizations. Suddenly looking waaaayyy better to run stoned, lol

People with underlying health issues are not allowed to smoke, hence the correlation.

1) People are emotional.

2) Rational people CAN use reasoning.

3) Rational people rarely use reasoning to contradict their emotional response.

4) Rational people regularly use reasoning to legitimate their emotional response.

What then is the difference between rational and irrational people in a panic?

The rational people sound smarter.

Bro.. seriously? Smoking is the dumbest thing you can do! There's no way in hell it helps you with anything!

Seriously smoking is the worst decision a person can ever make

No idea why you would at all put out the idea that there is anything good in it

Are you just intentionally trying to be provocative? Aren't you guys athletes and ProHealth?

Anyway there's a lot of deceptive data mining. Pro alcohol and pro tobacco groups are always looking for numbers to help them

Anyway there's been a lot of numbers to show that smoking and air pollution seriously impacts your ability to deal with respiratory illnesses. This is proven fact!

Also what's the moderation policy? Was I getting threads removed because they didn't fit the subject? I see you have a lot of categories so if you post in the right category is that a big reason of whether or not something gets removed

reality based thinking wrote:

People with underlying health issues are not allowed to smoke, hence the correlation.

You think old folks who have been smoking since their early teens all just quit smoking when the develop serious health issues?

lol, sounds about right

Smoking rates are highest among young adults and rates drop off precipitously as people get into their 60s and 70s.

The idea that nicotine provides some sort of protection is interesting. It may be in line with theories that the acute symptoms are the result of an overreaction by the immune system. Worth studying.

Yes, let’s test the theory. First we’ll institute healthcare for all to have the same baseline conditions as France...

Precious Roy wrote:

Smoking rates are highest among young adults and rates drop off precipitously as people get into their 60s and 70s.

The idea that nicotine provides some sort of protection is interesting. It may be in line with theories that the acute symptoms are the result of an overreaction by the immune system. Worth studying.

Covid-19 kills via cytokine storm, so very likely.

Precious Roy wrote:

Smoking rates are highest among young adults and rates drop off precipitously as people get into their 60s and 70s.

Here is what I found on the age of US smokers.

Nearly 8 of every 100 adults aged 18–24 years (7.8%)

Nearly 17 of every 100 adults aged 25–44 years (16.5%)

About 16 of every 100 adults aged 45–64 years (16.3%)

About 8 of every 100 adults aged 65 years and older (8.4%)

I'm suprrised it goes down at 65+. I guess a lot of them die before that?

From my experience with studies, almost all the terminology is different than daily use. for example it says "regular smokers" and it also refers to those who just "smoke." Now ask yourself what does regular smoker mean and what does smokes mean. Also did the people taking the study know what those terms mean, or were the questions to vague to truly define those terms.

Very interesting and counterintuitive. I wonder if indeed it's the nicotine or something else. Then the dippers who are getting even a higher dose of nicotine are umm, lucky? Where are the liberal trolls that like to pile on Rojo? You're letting us down.

My dad died of lung cancer 12 years after his last cigarette. I don't think there is much doubt that 40 years on the cigs was a major contributor, but it wouldn't show up on that stat.

This is interesting and deserves some exploration. But my dude, do you understand correlation and causation? This is correlation. My car's speedometer reading "60mph" is correlated with my car going fast. But my car doesn't go fast because of the speedometer reading. No one would expect their car to go fast when they manually move the speedometer's dial to 60mph. I don't think it's a very good idea to go out on a limb and implicitly suggest that smoking will help with coronavirus. Even if it does, smoking drastically increases your health risk. I know that's not the point of your post...I'd say your actual point is "we don't know anything, so believing anything is kinda reasonable" (an irresponsible position to publicly hold imo).

Not trying to police your speech bro. Just register for a burner account if you want to come down and speculate with us numbskulls; doing so from a position of authority is pointless and arguably dangerous. And from a business perspective, probably better to keep your official account looking clean. Business-wise, it would be smart to draw a better line between rojo the site admin and rojo the overconfident dilettante.

I'd advise you not to dig your heels in and become more stubborn about your speech. You are running a business and either a) this type of behavior is ruining the brand, or b) it is on-brand. Shitty either way.

On my way to get a carton of unfiltered Camel’s!!!

This information conflicts with other information on smoking. Result: It's too early to draw any conclusions, but more analysis is required.

There are a lot of questions. Diabetes seems to increase your risk by a factor of 6 (and this is likely higher as a lot of diabetics are uncontrolled or unaware, so they may not check the box on the disclosure), high blood pressure seems to double your risk, obesity does not seem to indicate too large of a risk factor (the percentage of patients reported as obese does not seem to be significantly more than the general population, although the diabetes numbers would suggest otherwise, so the obesity numbers may be under reported), environmental factors likely play a huge role. Why is the death rate so much higher in NY than CA despite a higher infection rate in CA based upon antibody tests (likely the antibody tests are flawed or the sampling methodology is not sound). Is it the amount of sunlight, is it temperature, is it humidity? Those would all go a long way in explaining why southern and tropical locations have largely been spared. Is it pollution (New York is bad for pollution, but California is worse)? Is it water quality? Is smoking not put down as a risk factor simply because the patients are not disclosing it on their paperwork or doctors are not asking? Obviously age and infirmity are huge factors (in Colorado from 49% to 64% of COVID deaths are nursing home patients, depending upon whether or not presumed COVID deaths are included in the state total).

Giles Corey wrote:

reality based thinking wrote:

People with underlying health issues are not allowed to smoke, hence the correlation.

You think old folks who have been smoking since their early teens all just quit smoking when the develop serious health issues?

I think old people with underlying health issues are less likely to smoke than healthy old people.

It's a correlation. And it's the only logical explanation.

No big deal.