21,000 COVID-19 deaths in two weeks in US

Allen53 wrote:

How come flu deaths have stalled? How come pneumonia deaths have declined?

How come flu deaths seem to be holding steady at around 24,000 (low ball CDC estimate in a "normal" year) when the CDC originally stated it was going to be a really bad flu season and had reported near record percentages of positives.

Boy this is hard to figure out. Must be all that hand sanitizer.

Per the CDC website, flu deaths and cases have dropped drastically the past few weeks....but only among older adults! Clearly many of the deaths being chalked up as "presumed" Covid19 "related" or "linked" would have occurred absent the Covid and been properly been called death due to flu.

Giles Corey wrote:

Allen53 wrote:

How come flu deaths have stalled? How come pneumonia deaths have declined?

How come flu deaths seem to be holding steady at around 24,000 (low ball CDC estimate in a "normal" year) when the CDC originally stated it was going to be a really bad flu season and had reported near record percentages of positives.

Boy this is hard to figure out. Must be all that hand sanitizer.

Per the CDC website, flu deaths and cases have dropped drastically the past few weeks....but only among older adults! Clearly many of the deaths being chalked up as "presumed" Covid19 "related" or "linked" would have occurred absent the Covid and been properly been called death due to flu.

And not just drastically- to all-time record lows after recording near all-time record highs only 6 weeks ago. If that isn't the biggest in your face sham what is?

+1

THIS!

Allen53 wrote:

And not just drastically- to all-time record lows after recording near all-time record highs only 6 weeks ago. If that isn't the biggest in your face sham what is?

Yes, it is all a conspiracy. Not the result on actual explainable phenomena that they actually explain on their website:

Recent changes in healthcare seeking behavior, including increasing use of telemedicine and recommendations to limit emergency department (ED) visits to severe illness, as well as increasing levels of social distancing, are affecting the number of persons with ILI and their reasons for seeking care in outpatient and ED settings.

The percent of deaths associated with pneumonia and influenza is above the epidemic threshold. The increase is due to an increase in pneumonia deaths rather than influenza deaths and likely reflects COVID-19 activity.

With ongoing declines in influenza activity and the continued effects of the COVID-19 pandemic on outpatient ILI and P&I mortality data, this will be the final week of a full FluView report. More detailed interpretation of data from these systems can be found in COVIDView starting next week (week 15).

jesseriley wrote:

Covid denial: where the weird turn pro!

You gotta wonder if any of these guys (dunes, Allen53, Bad Wigins, Cory Giles, Facts Matter etc.) EVER looks around and thinks "these guys are all nuts, maybe I ought to rethink where I am at"

I'm sure not. It would take a level of self-awareness that doesn't seem to exist.

I am tired of the fear; reports of increasing numbers of infected patients and deaths (what did anyone expect?) BUT a total lack of reporting of the number of perfectly healthy patients who die after infection (which is incredibly low - if this was reported it would be impossible to compel people to act by using fear). In the 2018 flu season 62000 people died in the US alone and no one cared.

Bottom line:

1) fear makes people respond and many TV doctors and politicians are using it to compel "compliance" by the general population;

2) the purpose all of the safety and distancing promoted was to slow the spread of the infection so that the hospitals and ICU's are not overwhelmed, but the admission of very sick patients is spread out over time, and guess what??? As time goes on, we recognize the system has NOT been overwhelmed;

3) People need to be real. This is not smallpox or Ebola or MERS, all of which have an extremely high kill rate among all age groups (30-70%) even if PERFECTLY healthy; it is a viral infection much like regular flu which the general population has not been exposed to before (evidenced by the large number of asymptomatic infected people - some studies say this is 80% of the infected - who show no symptoms);

4) the initial reaction to this virus by medical professionals was very cautious, because of lack of experience with this pathogen; it is the responsibility of doctors to consider the worst case scenario and the politicians "ate it up"; no one among the political class (Democrat or Republican) wanted to be held responsible for a single death in an election year, so they wanted/needed to be able to say "we did everything";

5) it is my opinion, having studied this very intensely, that had the nature of the infection been understood from the beginning that we would have isolated and protected all the nursing home patients - those on chemo - the elderly - those with immune system disorders/on chronic steroid therapy/immuno-suppressant meds, kept them isolated, and gone on with our lives. No question, a rare healthy 30 year old (and I mean RARE) would die but this happens even in flu epidemics and we accept it;

6) SUMMARY - the response has been driven by politics, irrational fear of death by the vast majority general public who is NOT at risk for serious complication or death, the lack of good info about this virus (of which MAY be in the first ever large population exposure round - that is why the panic), and society's decision to protect the vulnerable at ANY cost. Doctors, in general, are NOT getting rich off this, BUT a few are shoving themselves into the limelight without the expertise to make any useful comments except spread fear to induce compliance. How many people would follow the rules if someone said: "100,000 people may die from COVID, but 95% of them will be elderly with co morbidities; therefore among healthy people less than 60 there MAY be 5000 deaths among the approximately 220 million in the U.S. population in this age cohort". People would just go on with their lives.

LATEST NY DATA FROM 4/14/20 (extracted)

Ages 18-64 - 1890 deaths (sad); #DEAD WITHOUT coexisting condition 84 (unclear whether had a coexisting condition - 219 deaths ); 84/1890 = .044%; lets assume all 219 had no coexisting conditions; then -

219+84/1890 = .16%. Therefore, only .16% of people who were critically sick from this infection died; bottom line, if your healthy your chance of DYING from infection is incredibly small. This information is never presented this way because fear is the only way to make people comply. When you read about the rare young person who dies, FIRST question to ask is WHAT OTHER PRE EXISTING MEDICAL PROBLEM(S) WERE THEY SUFFERING FROM???

(219+84)/1890 is not .16%. It’s 16%. Or roughly 1/6.

Also, while your math was wrong, the conclusion was even worse. Your numerator was ‘people w/o pre existing conditions’ and the denominator was ‘people 18-64’ so assuming the 303 w/o pre existing were all 18-64, you could say only 1/6th of the dead people 18-64 had no pre existing conditions which is an entirely different conclusion and literally 100 times as many as ‘.16%’

We have no idea what percent of critically sick died based on the numbers you presented, unless you completely misunderstood/misrepresented them

You are right it’s NOT Ebola,

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Two Americans died from Ebola, over 20,000 americans have died in the last nine days from Covid-19.

4500!!!

In one day yesterday.