21,000 COVID-19 deaths in two weeks in US

Giles Corey wrote:

Why must you never address the actual points I make? Why are you so triggered into emotional, fact free responses?' Name calling and labeling?

I will tell you why. You have been programmed to do so by the establishment and are apparently incapable of independent thought.

Excellent job proving my point Giles.

I'm not insulting you when I'm saying you have poor social skills and a low IQ. It's just the truth.

You're exactly who these people target and you're behaving exactly how they want you to behave. So, congrats on that 'independent thought'.

it'll end up being the same as an average flu year wrote:

It was good to be cautious. But it's good news that it's not nearly as bad as we imagined

And "being cautious"--a hundred-plus million people changing their behavior--is precisely *why* it's (apparently) not going to be "as bad as we imagined."

Man, I *knew* that people were gonna do this--predicted it weeks ago. These numbnuts are somehow able to treat the limiting of the virus's spread completely separately from the extraordinary measures that people have taken across the country.

If the number of deaths ends up being roughly in line with that in a typical flu year--well, that's not great, but I'm glad it's not a lot worse. It *would* be a lot worse, were it not for the extraordinary lockdown procedures and most people's cooperation with them--something we have not implemented in any previous flu year.

Those measures are NOT something separate from the death total--THEY ARE WHAT IS LIMITING IT!

PaulG wrote:

In Virginia, we’ve had 154 COVID related deaths. Somewhere between 40-50 of those have occurred at a retirement facility for patients receiving end of life care.

Now 195 deaths in VA.

trollism wrote:

Giles Corey wrote:

Why must you never address the actual points I make? Why are you so triggered into emotional, fact free responses?' Name calling and labeling?

I will tell you why. You have been programmed to do so by the establishment and are apparently incapable of independent thought.

Excellent job proving my point Giles.

I'm not insulting you when I'm saying you have poor social skills and a low IQ. It's just the truth.

You're exactly who these people target and you're behaving exactly how they want you to behave. So, congrats on that 'independent thought'.

Again, no discussion of the topic.

Just more of your endless whining.

Don't you get sick of yourself?

realism smacks you in the mouth wrote:

PaulG wrote:

In Virginia, we’ve had 154 COVID related deaths. Somewhere between 40-50 of those have occurred at a retirement facility for patients receiving end of life care.

Now 195 deaths in VA.

141 presumed Covid linked or related deaths in Va per latest stats.

Presumed. Related. Linked.

What is the normal death numbers in the US for a two week period?

Giles Corey wrote:

trollism wrote:

Excellent job proving my point Giles.

I'm not insulting you when I'm saying you have poor social skills and a low IQ. It's just the truth.

You're exactly who these people target and you're behaving exactly how they want you to behave. So, congrats on that 'independent thought'.

Again, no discussion of the topic.

Just more of your endless whining.

Don't you get sick of yourself?

Did you just 'I know you are, but what am I?' me? Haha.

You post hundreds of times per day spouting conspiracy nonsense and yet you call someone else out for 'endless whining'. Absolutely zero introspection - again, exactly what these people are looking for in a target.

Giles Corey wrote:

realism smacks you in the mouth wrote:

Now 195 deaths in VA.

141 presumed Covid linked or related deaths in Va per latest stats.

Presumed. Related. Linked.

195. I am looking at the VDH page now. 6500 total cases, 1048 total hospitalizations, 195 deaths.

Includes both people with a positive test, and symptomatic with a known exposure. How shocking that we allow physicians to exercise clinical judgement just like they do every other day in the practice of medicine.

Yes but they are cooking the books- you know that right.

Keep on all you want with COVID scare mongering but the CDC and health departments are categorically lying to you as sanctioned policy right now on the COVID death tally.

They have stated outright that they changed protocols and that deaths "presumed" to be COVID- with no testing or diagnosis- will listed as caused by COVID. That is an ethical violation and should be a legal one as well.

‘actual’ flu deaths annually 150-3000

https://aspe.hhs.gov/cdc-—-influenza-deaths-request-correction-rfc

You’ve been shown dozens of sources citing medical examiners saying they are undercounting flu deaths. You’ve seen excess mortality data showing there are twice as many excess deaths as could be explained by the attributed Covid deaths.

In NY alone 100-150 more people are dying tied to Covid than they would expect from all causes on an average day (still as many people dying of other causes).

So on one side there is overwhelming evidence, but on the other side Jon Rappoport who has no medical training, read guidance to medical examiners which is in line with how they track everything else, but he used his journalistic incompetence to conclude that since it included big words they must be trying to confuse him.

Depends on which two week period you cite.

Allen53 wrote:

Depends on which two week period you cite.

Come on big Al, we know you’ll cite something from Jan through March sometime depending on the country...

Allen53 wrote:

Depends on which two week period you cite.

How are your "no excess mortality" predictions holding up?

realism smacks you in the mouth wrote:

Allen53 wrote:

Depends on which two week period you cite.

How are your "no excess mortality" predictions holding up?

I like how now the numbers are low and there is talk about reopening, so they go ahead and start include suspected deaths in the total. Conversation must go something like this.

Did the person That died have covid?

We don’t know.

Did the person that died not have covid?

We don’t know that either.

So you’re saying there’s a chance? Let’s count them as a covid death then.

From afar this things seems like a New York be the federal government or Cuomo vs trump issue. I’m not a fan of either one, but I define you wouldn’t want to live in New York.

There holding up great through early March just about everywhere. In U.K. they held up great until late March. I’ll bet in a week or so we’ll learn about the lack of excess mortality in Sweden until early April!

Allen53 wrote:

Yes but they are cooking the books- you know that right.

Keep on all you want with COVID scare mongering but the CDC and health departments are categorically lying to you as sanctioned policy right now on the COVID death tally.

They have stated outright that they changed protocols and that deaths "presumed" to be COVID- with no testing or diagnosis- will listed as caused by COVID. That is an ethical violation and should be a legal one as well.

How are they lying if they are openly listing the protocols?

Why is it an ethical (and should be a legal) violation to allow health care physicians to exercise clinical judgement?

he is wrong though wrote:

Allen53 wrote:

Depends on which two week period you cite.

Come on big Al, we know you’ll cite something from Jan through March sometime depending on the country...

AND depends which State you look at. Wyoming, Montana, Alaska, Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, The Dakotas, and Wisconsin certainly have had minimal issues form this virus.

Show me your cell phone records wrote:

Wyoming, Montana, Alaska, Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, The Dakotas, and Wisconsin certainly have had minimal issues form this virus.