UK data for total deaths thru March 27 just released- lower than 5 year average

Is this an honest question? Do you really want to know?

It's pretty simple,

Total covid-19 Deaths in UK as of 3/27 = 759

Total as of today over 6,000.

So they are over 5.000 excess deaths since would put them above the average and another 5-800 have been dying a day so in a few weeks they'll easily be 10k above.

Your welcome, glad I could help explain that to you!

Ahead of the Curve wrote:

Is this an honest question? Do you really want to know?

It's pretty simple,

Total covid-19 Deaths in UK as of 3/27 = 759

Total as of today over 6,000.

So they are over 5.000 excess deaths since would put them above the average and another 5-800 have been dying a day so in a few weeks they'll easily be 10k above.

Your welcome, glad I could help explain that to you!

Rather incomplete answer- we are talking total deaths. That will not be known likely until the next quarter- it looks likely you will need to scale back your assessment.

Not only that but the death statistics are a complete mess as has been repeatedly demonstrated. Just the lack of distinction between deaths ‘with’ the virus and deaths ‘of’ the virus, shows them to be hopelessly exaggerated. The UK is particularly egregious in how they are now required to report cause of death.

Look at the UK stats- they are completely out of whack. So you're telling me they have 55,000 cases but ONLY 135 recovered? No other country has such a statistic. Why is that? Take a guess.

As an addendum in the UK 70% of those deaths are 75+ years old with at least one serious underlying condition.

Allen53 wrote:

Rather incomplete answer- we are talking total deaths. That will not be known likely until the next quarter- it looks likely you will need to scale back your assessment.

Not only that but the death statistics are a complete mess as has been repeatedly demonstrated. Just the lack of distinction between deaths ‘with’ the virus and deaths ‘of’ the virus, shows them to be hopelessly exaggerated. The UK is particularly egregious in how they are now required to report cause of death.

Look at the UK stats- they are completely out of whack. So you're telling me they have 55,000 cases but ONLY 135 recovered? No other country has such a statistic. Why is that? Take a guess.

As an addendum in the UK 70% of those deaths are 75+ years old with at least one serious underlying condition.

I think I was pretty clear that I was specifically talking first about both coronavirus deaths specifically and also about total/excess deaths which I am nearly 100% confident will (have already) rise for weeks 13-17.

Medical examiners are trained doctors who make educated conclusions about the cause of death. They are claiming that they are under reporting because of deaths at home, so I doubt they are calling people who suffer deaths from unrelated causes as coronavirus. But that is completely unrelated to this issue as we are talking about excess deaths, so cause is not relevant.

Why only 135 recovered... probably because it's time consuming and isn't really beneficial to track people sick at home so likely the only 'recovered' they are tracking are people who were in the ICU and ended up getting better and being released.

Regarding the addendum, 75 year olds have an expected 11.44 (male) to 13.10 (female) years to live so acting like they were all going to die this month anyway is not reflective of reality.

You are just making up stuff. The virus deaths have been way under reported. Your armchair epidemiology is a complete joke.

So, you posted an absolutely irrelevant number (because it does not really include a relevant timeframe) arguing that there is no excess mortality and you are calling somebody else out because they are pointing out that you are being intentionally misleading?

OK, for sure you are a genius...

The virus deaths have been way under reported.

- Precious Roy

Keep that handy Roy. Notice you didn't address any of the facts posted.

UK mandated, like the US, and changed their report qualifications BTW, that COVID is now officially listed even if it is only presumed to be the case. Hardly likely that was done to under report- quite the opposite. Everything is COVID now- and don't look over there Roy that's just another $4 trillion gone to the Wall St bandits. Keep stoking the fear.

The world is, in the middle of the corona crisis, mesmerized by one mutated corona virus like hundreds of other ones spreading over the whole world every year. It presents no evidence of higher mortality than its earlier yearly mutations. Diagnostic testing is being interpreted as a way to follow the epidemic propagation, whereas it only reveals (partially) the ubiquitous and collaborative presence of common cold viruses worldwide.

The mortality rate of COVID-19 has been calculated as the percentage of performed tests coming out positive, not integrating the strong mortality reduction allowed by the presence of a high percentage of mild or asymptomatic disease forms. Fear and panic were kindled by these two inaccurate scientific communications and spread over the whole planet like a bushfire, causing the chaos we observe every day on the News.

You ignored the fact when you previously posted this report that the March 27 report collected data from 11 days earlier, meaning that there had been almost no COVID-19 deaths reported at the time. There likely were a lot but not recognized. There have now been over 7,000 deaths confirmed, nearly a thousand today.

#FireFauci

Who exactly are you quoting on that nonsense? Putting something in bold and highlighting it doesn't mean anything.

Lets try to stick to the topic, if you are confident in your nonsense, then excess deaths shouldn't be on the rise.

I'm 100% confident that there are a lot of excess deaths. The data you cite will show that there are excess deaths when applied to the relevant time frames. Are you sticking to that argument or do you even admit your wrong?

Nothing in this discussion has been about percent of positives, you have completely changed arguments, that doesn't have anything to do with what Roy or I claimed.

Allen53 wrote:

How is this possible in the midst of a global pandemic where the UK was cited as one of the several "hot spots."

Looking at the year-to-date (using refreshed data to get the most accurate estimates), the number of deaths is currently lower than the five-year average. The current number of deaths is 150,047, which is 3,350 fewer than the five-year average.

The UK data for total deaths thru March 27 has just been released.

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Allen53 wrote:

The UK data for total deaths thru March 27 has just been released.

Allen53 wrote:

Not only that but the death statistics are a complete mess as has been repeatedly demonstrated.

Fvck off Allen. You don’t know statistics.

Fewer people on the roads = fewer deaths.

Allen? Allen? Anyone?

Allen53 wrote:

Rather incomplete answer- we are talking total deaths. That will not be known likely until the next quarter- it looks likely you will need to scale back your assessment.

Not only that but the death statistics are a complete mess as has been repeatedly demonstrated. Just the lack of distinction between deaths ‘with’ the virus and deaths ‘of’ the virus, shows them to be hopelessly exaggerated. The UK is particularly egregious in how they are now required to report cause of death.

Look at the UK stats- they are completely out of whack. So you're telling me they have 55,000 cases but ONLY 135 recovered? No other country has such a statistic. Why is that? Take a guess.

As an addendum in the UK 70% of those deaths are 75+ years old with at least one serious underlying condition.

lol

cool story bro

I would expect death rates to go down significantly during this pandemic. With all the stay at home behavior and extensive hand washing and use of gloves and masks, deaths from other contagious diseases should drop significantly. With people staying at home, vehicle deaths, airplane or train deaths should drop significantly. With less group gatherings and bars closed there should be a drop in homicides. So it makes sense for the death rates to drop.

Allen53 wrote:

How is this possible in the midst of a global pandemic where the UK was cited as one of the several "hot spots."

Looking at the year-to-date (using refreshed data to get the most accurate estimates), the number of deaths is currently lower than the five-year average. The current number of deaths is 150,047, which is 3,350 fewer than the five-year average.

The UK data for total deaths thru March 27 has just been released.

___________

Total UK deaths, Feb. 29 to March 27:

43,700

Average deaths, same period (2015-19):

43,400

_________

Total UK deaths, Dec 28 2019 – March 27 2020 (ytd)

137,800

Average deaths, ytd (2015-19)

141,700

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending27march2020

Conundrum wrote:

I would expect death rates to go down significantly during this pandemic. With all the stay at home behavior and extensive hand washing and use of gloves and masks, deaths from other contagious diseases should drop significantly.

With people staying at home, vehicle deaths, airplane or train deaths should drop significantly.

With less group gatherings and bars closed there should be a drop in homicides.

So it makes sense for the death rates to drop.

+1

You beat me to it. Of course overall deaths are going to drop with people spending more time at home and engaging in less risky behavior.

historian I am wrote:

Conundrum wrote:

I would expect death rates to go down significantly during this pandemic. With all the stay at home behavior and extensive hand washing and use of gloves and masks, deaths from other contagious diseases should drop significantly.

With people staying at home, vehicle deaths, airplane or train deaths should drop significantly.

With less group gatherings and bars closed there should be a drop in homicides.

So it makes sense for the death rates to drop.

Except there has been an unprecedented increase. Death rates are at the highest level since they've been tracking in most affected countries... wait for the Euromomo number to refresh tomorrow and that's with some theoretical decrease in accidental deaths.

+1

You beat me to it. Of course overall deaths are going to drop with people spending more time at home and engaging in less risky behavior.

[quote]Ahead of the Curve wrote:

[quote]Allen53 wrote:

Medical examiners are trained doctors who make educated conclusions about the cause of death. They are claiming that they are under reporting because of deaths at home, so I doubt they are calling people who suffer deaths from unrelated causes as coronavirus.

This is exactly what they are doing,any deaths and the person has covid is reported in the numbers,regardless of if it is a contributing factor,so if someone gets knocked over and they had covid they would go on the numbers

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Allen53 wrote:

Look at the UK stats- they are completely out of whack. So you're telling me they have 55,000 cases but ONLY 135 recovered? No other country has such a statistic. Why is that? Take a guess.

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I am guessing it is because your an idiot.:) In case it isn't obvious to you, it takes 2-6 weeks for a person to recover. 4 weeks ago the UK had ~2000 cases. 6 weeks ago they had 28. Pretty easy to see why the recovery cases is so low. You can look at places like Italy to see how the numbers change over time.