El Guerrouj VS. Brazier in a 1200

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4 years ago 04/04/2020 6:54pm EDT

re: LateRunnerPhil

I always assumed race directors offered el G more money for a 1500 (which the RD could sell as a major WR attempt) than an 800, so el G followed the money.

I have to think he was good for ~1:43, even as a 15/5 guy. If he were a speed 400/800 guy with a 3:26 then he'd be ~1:40j, maybe better.

I give el G the nod over Brazier over 1200 because that event adds 50% of the race distance to the 800, whereas it subtracts just 20% from the 1500, so it's "closer" to the 1500 (and Brazier needs more training to go longer).

4 years ago 04/05/2020 3:12am EDT

re: mwh

El Guerrouj had plenty of options for races in his best distances, incl. odd ones like 2000m. He did not have much to gain from a decent 800m race. Even a sub 1:44 would have been nothing special compared to his 1500-5000. Probably similar in the 1000m, except that he should have been somewhat more competitive there but it is a fairly uncommon distance and obviously strong 800/1500m types would have been stronger than him.

I am probably forgetting someone but except for Aouita I am not aware of a 1500/5000m guy doing the 800m on the world class level.

Sure, this might also have been related to EPO boosting >1500m much more. But there are also the different types of runners (s/f twitch etc.) and racing practice for the 800m. The Ingebrigtsens also have extremely strong 1500m marks and hardly ever race anything shorter. Regardless of PED suspicions I think there has also been a development in training in the last 30-35 years that, for certain types of runners, does make better performances in 1500 and up possible despite not so great speed.

4 years ago 04/05/2020 4:23am EDT

re: Salvatore Stitchmo

Salvatore Stitchmo wrote:
You can't be serious with this?
All your photos are warped by perspective and other factors (like even what footwear someone may or may not be wearing). Like I can't even be bothered.
And the funniest thing is, you've basically given up trying to argue to Steve Cram (not even sure why you bought him into a D Brazier vs El G 1200m hypothetical TT debate) was better than Hichem, to he was considerably faster than him, and now this is the thing you want to argue about - his f$$%%g height?!
God you British people are miserable - I actually have a lot of sympathy for you brother!
Done with this, I've proven my point. Stay safe mate.

How many pages is it possible to discuss exclusively Brazier vs El G?

It's natural that this has progressed into a more general question of who was the greatest (hypothetical) 1200m runner, and most of the time the points made are relevant to the Brazier vs El G discussion. Obviously Cram and Coe are up there as 1200m theoretical GOATs.

Anyway, you're obviously very knowledgeable, so I hope you stick around, at least contribute to other threads.

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