US #1 in Coronavirus

The USA way behind other nations on health care. It's way too obvious. Now, it's too late, the USA will collapse soon. No way around it.

Icouldbeyourmom wrote:

freeidea wrote:

Trump is too weak to do a Chinese style lockdown. Plus he doesn't want to do it.

Yes. He is too weak because our government doesn’t give one person that much power. China is communist. They put locks on people’s apartment doors and had armed guards everywhere.

You want an even lower virus spread rate? Move to North Korea. Then you can get executed for violating quarantine. But they have the best “numbers”

About a month ago CNN had interviewed some guy in Wuhan who said he had not been able to leave his apartment for the last 40 days.

I..... guess we should be doing that, too.

Oprah's first kiss wrote:

The USA way behind other nations on health care. It's way too obvious. Now, it's too late, the USA will collapse soon. No way around it.

Agreed. We have an amazing health system for people who can afford it, but a 3rd world system for those who can't.

Now, with the "good" part of the healthcare system completely overwhelmed because those that can afford it are all attending at once, some of those privileged ones are going to experience the 3rd world version. They will not be happy.

rg2 wrote:

Yeah, we have more cases and far less deaths!!! What are we doing right!!! Another reason America is the greatest country in the world. How many is citizens are trying to escape to Italy, Spain, China or anywhere else?

Unfortunately I'm going to be able to rub this comment in your face multiple times about two weeks from now.

The death curve is steeping.

https://imgur.com/NZSBWZF

It's too late for America, the country will collapse in the next few weeks. Italy's health care system is far superior and is still collapsing.

AT THESWOOSH wrote:

What are we doing wrong?

1. Inadequate testing/ contact tracing

2. the stockpiles created for pandemics weren’t replaced following H1N1

3. lack of coordinated federal leadership

4. population that is highly skeptical of leadership and doesn’t adhere to public health guidelines

5. underfunded CDC/ underfunded FDA

6. mediocre at best health care system

7. Massive amounts of disinformation and disease skepticism

8. Lack of social infrastructure including sick leave and unemployment benefits, that led to millions of people being forced to continue working.

9. Lack of action when this outbreak was first reported in late December in China.

In summary: inadequate social welfare and healthcare system paired with previous administrative mistakes, distrust of authority, a state led containment strategy and a head in the sand attitude by the current administration.

Great summary!

AT THESWOOSH wrote:

What are we doing wrong?

Like a lot of stats from America, they always need dissection ( first and foremost: gun violence).

But regarding the Chinese Bat-Eater Virus, remove New York City from the total and the rest of the country is doing relatively fine.

As I mentioned in a previous thread, ultra high-density areas are going to be especially prone to this kind of virus. Overlay, in a city like NYC, rampant illegal immigration, multi-generational/multi-family living of the aforementioned illegals, and unequivocally incompetent leadership (DiBlasio) and you have a recipe for Italy/Spain level infection levels.

Suburban and rural America will hardly be touched by this

New York City has fallen.

America will hopefully learn the right lessons from this experience.

birdbeard wrote:

AT THESWOOSH wrote:

What are we doing wrong?

Not testing people, not tracing contacts, no stringent enough on lockdowns.

We’ve tested more people per capita than pretty much every country except some of the small ones. The reason we have a bunch of cases but not a bunch of deaths relative to our population is because we are not just testing the hospital patients.

joedirtball wrote:

birdbeard wrote:

Not testing people, not tracing contacts, no stringent enough on lockdowns.

We’ve tested more people per capita than pretty much every country except some of the small ones. The reason we have a bunch of cases but not a bunch of deaths relative to our population is because we are not just testing the hospital patients.

Germany.

freeidea wrote:

Trump is too weak to do a Chinese style lockdown. Plus he doesn't want to do it.

Donald Trump: "I want America up, running and open for business by Easter.

Also Donald Trump: "I didn't say which Easter".

USA!USA! We're number 1!

I see you do not understand how virus's work :/

The US population is more diverse than other any country in the world. NY is the epicenter of COVID cases, and just happens to be one of the most densely populated cities in the world. It’s also one of the most popular tourist destination in the world.

Nobody wants to go visit Wuhan before or after COVID. The same people crying about the poor treatment of illegals are the same ones asking why the US has so many cases.

The death rate is still low. The US has the best healthcare system in the world. Mayo Clinic, Johns Hopkins, Cleveland Clinic, and terrific hospitals at every major university. The insurance system and pricing is ridiculous but the level of care is better than anywhere else.

AT THESWOOSH wrote:

What are we doing wrong?

The USA started out with the wrong message, for sure. It's a fake news liberal conspiracy. Don't worry about it. However, we being open and transparent about the situation now. Probably not something Iran, Russia and China can say.

Genny Cream Ale wrote:

AT THESWOOSH wrote:

What are we doing wrong?

The USA started out with the wrong message, for sure. It's a fake news liberal conspiracy. Don't worry about it. However, we being open and transparent about the situation now. Probably not something Iran, Russia and China can say.

Right. Most reported cases =/= Most cases. This headline is everywhere and it is completely meaningless.

I nearly had a stroke trying to read what you just wrote

krispy kremlin_._._._ wrote:

AT THESWOOSH wrote:

What are we doing wrong?

Like a lot of stats from America, they always need dissection ( first and foremost: gun violence).

But regarding the Chinese Bat-Eater Virus, remove New York City from the total and the rest of the country is doing relatively fine.

As I mentioned in a previous thread, ultra high-density areas are going to be especially prone to this kind of virus. Overlay, in a city like NYC, rampant illegal immigration, multi-generational/multi-family living of the aforementioned illegals, and unequivocally incompetent leadership (DiBlasio) and you have a recipe for Italy/Spain level infection levels.

Suburban and rural America will hardly be touched by this

New York City has fallen.

America will hopefully learn the right lessons from this experience.

The virus does move faster in large, densely populated cities, but being in a suburban or rural area is just as vulnerable, but on a different trajectory.

Albany, GA is a small town of less than 100k. They are getting clobbered by the virus right now.

And Albany shows how vulnerable rural areas are. They have a higher percentage of older populations and chronic health conditions. The health care system in rural areas has been decimated by our for profit health care system. So, while they may not have the same explosive level of transmission that a densely populated city like NY, the virus is out there and will spread in rural community and probably hit them harder that the major metros in the long run.