718 killed in Spain today, more than in Italy, lockdown failing

in ten days, there will be a civil war in the usa, luckily people have their own guns to take justice in their own hands, anyhow, deaths are nothing new, if u get sick in the usa u die, so no big deal, you spend money fighting wars abroad but don't have enough hospital beds, plus the worst leader in modern times, there's no hope

Bob-a Jog-a,

You’re a liar. If you can jog whenever you want you wouldn’t be crying about it so much.

jesseriley wrote:

Bob-a Jog-a,

You’re a liar. If you can jog whenever you want you wouldn’t be crying about it so much.

I defend the right of all runners.

I do my things and nobody get in the way, certainly not the police. They are spread way too thin and my path is safe.

I'm in Spain - Madrid city center actually, which has seen some of the harshest numbers of cases world-wide. The government has taken extreme measures because these are extreme circumstances. While the first documented case in Spain was a German tourist on the Canary Island of La Gomera, experts point to a football match in Milan- Valencia versus the Italian club Atalanta, in which there were 40,000 fans in attendance with around 2,500 from Valencia, as the main reason why Bergamo (Milan) is one of the Epicenters of this virus. It's highly likely that at least some of the 2,500 Spaniards came in contact with the virus and brought it back to Spain.

It also didn't help that in the days before the official lock-down started, many Spaniards were traveling back to their family homes. Madrid and Barcelona are like New York and LA- a high percentage of residents, especially young people, come from all over the country to live in these two cities. So you had a large amount of younger people who likely came in contact with the virus in Madrid, going back to spend the quarantine at their parent's houses all over the country, in a lot of cases grandparents live under the same roof as well. This only made the spread more rampant.

As a few have said already, there is a certain incubation period of this virus, and that we have not yet surpassed that amount of time in quarantine yet. Quarantine is a proven method, and let me point out that it's a proactive measure, not a reactive measure. If people continued about their daily lives as normal, the numbers would surely be exponentially higher, and in a country with almost 20% of the population over the age of 65, that would leave an insurmountable impact.

One of the main reasons for quarantining is the hope that it will reduce the burden that the extreme amount of cases puts on the health care system. This isn't a problem specific to Spain, we're seeing severe man-power and equipment shortages world-wide. The same thing happens anywhere when a huge percentage of the population needs one specific service and the demand for the service greatly exceeds the supply. Australia saw the same issue when it came to their forest fires back in January, they had to import fire fighters from the USA, Canada, and NZ. The only difference between that situation and this situation is that every country in the world is facing it at the same time, so it is not possible to import workers or additional equipment from anywhere.

The difference between idiots like Baba Yaga and your average Spanish citizen, is that Spaniards are happy to take on the personal responsibility of staying at home for the betterment of society. I have friends that live in interior apartments and are really having a hard time, but everyone recognizes it as a necessary (but miserable) measure to help the country as a whole. I'm lucky that I have a pretty large apartment with some balconies, so I'm not as cooped up as some, and this certainly is a change in lifestyle and quite annoying, but without everyone making sacrifices and doing their part, the problem would surely be much worse, and the effects on everyone would be much worse for a long time. We're on day #11 of complete quarantine, and hopefully in the next week the numbers will start to level off. 19 days to go.

It's not that the lockdown is failing, it's their health care system failing those that are already infected. Lockdown is just about slowing the rate of infection. Their health care system is overwhelmed and can't adequately treat those that have the virus.

You don't know me, you don't know my country, and you don't seem to know much in general. I'm done wasting my time with you.

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Greetings fellow Spaniard.. what part of the country are you in?

Precious Boy you are fake news.

Precious Boy declares a new Spanish Flu virus originated in Spain and infected the world including china. We call it Wuhan Virus now. Is this kid for real?

And 773 today, scary times...

This has to peak quickly now !

don't each of these countries have a very large part of their populations that smoke?

think that could have something to do with it?

Baba Yaga wrote:

Precious Roy wrote:

There is emerging evidence that Italy and Spain may have had the virus as early as October 2019. It that is the case, then they are trying to flatten a very different curve than the US. And it also shows the importance of taking restrictive measures early because delay only means a much harder fight to get rates under control.

They can't have had the virus before China, that would mean that it did not originate in China.

No one knows what month it began in China. If it reached Italy and Spain in October then presumably it was in China before then.

jenapharm wrote:

don't each of these countries have a very large part of their populations that smoke?

think that could have something to do with it?

People keep saying Italy and Spain have higher smoking rates but what's the evidence?

In 2016 they were only 40th and 41st in the world in cigarette consumption oer person.

nosey parker wrote:

People keep saying Italy and Spain have higher smoking rates but what's the evidence?

In 2016 they were only 40th and 41st in the world in cigarette consumption oer person.

And you expect evidence to get in the way of letsrun posts??

Hardloper wrote:

Baba Yaga wrote:

Or the zoonosis happened in Italy, in the Lombordian chinese community.

They can't have had the virus before China, that would mean that it did not originate in China.

No one knows what month it began in China. If it reached Italy and Spain in October then presumably it was in China before then.

Deaths lag well behind new cases. Their lockdown has lasted just 13-14 days and if it takes an average of 5 days to show symptoms and 2-6 weeks from that point to die, for those who do, then you can expect to see dramatic results from the lockdown only in a month or more. In the meantime, many more people will start showing effects during the lockdown, others will catch it at home or at hospitals during the lockdown, and many more cases during the period of exponential growth will mean a month or so later a lot of additional deaths. In the U.S. in the two weeks from March 12 to March 26, cases rose from about 1600 to 85000. There have been chaotically introduced measures for the past couple weeks. For instance, many colleges and universities closed two weeks ago and sent their students home or off to Spring Break, spreading infection. Only at the end of this week is a lockdown being instituted in parts of Florida. California has gone a couple weeks, I think. New York City entered lockdown only in the past week or so. Countries that are in lockdown now are going to see a great deal of progress in May but April is going to be horrific in terms of the body count in many countries.

Not one thing he said was racist

BlueNorther wrote:

nosey parker wrote:

People keep saying Italy and Spain have higher smoking rates but what's the evidence?

In 2016 they were only 40th and 41st in the world in cigarette consumption oer person.

And you expect evidence to get in the way of letsrun posts??

Umm you do realize that post shows Italy and Spain smoking a lot more than the US right?

US consumption 1000

Italy: 1492

Spain: 1499

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agip wrote:

the growth of daily deaths in spain is high, but it has been slowing for a few days,...not clear that the lockdown isn't working.

If it dropped to zero and stayed there, that would not mean the lockdown was working.

It's all pure speculation. They've known for weeks their early assumptions about how and how fast it would spread were baseless. And their assumptions about how many were infected and thus how lethal infection was. But they don't know how to undo the damage.

Sure, 27,000 are now dead, charitably ignoring the high rate of false positives (up to 75%.) In the context of global pneumonia-causing viruses, that is not a high figure after 4 months. Manically singling out the worst news from the worst performing country every day is pure pathos. Why do people want bad things? That's who should be locked down.

Wiggy is one of the few disinformation trolls who can write in English.