Froome vs Rupp

Rupp could probably ride a sub 5hr century (that wasn't excessively hilly) with no training for it right now.

I do not thing Froome could go sub 3 in the marathon without having run a single training run. I think 5hr century is equivalent to 3 hour marathon.

Rupp in the century by far. Cycling takes far less preparation for a runner than a marathon would for a cyclist. Froome's legs would break by like mile 18

I guess another way to ask is if you take Rupps PR of 2:06 in the marathon, what would the equivalent 100 mile ride be for Froome? I really don't know since cycling is so varied. Lets say it's 3h 30min, which is 28.5 mph. I think Froome could do that when he was in peak shape.

Then if Rupp can ride that same distance in 5 hours, he would be around 43% slower.

I'll say Froome can do 3 hour marathon with no training only for sake of this argument, I do not think anyone can run 3 hours without a single step of run training...that would be 43% slower as well.

Go figure.

So Rupp still wins because no one is running a 3 hour marathon without having run a step prior, therefore the gap would be much bigger than 43%.

You guys don't realize how insane the watts that froomdog puts out are. A 5 hour century is a recovery ride for him...not really relevant for discussion.

Isn’t it a moot point seeing Froome pretty banged up ? Haven’t exactly been keeping tabs on him since his injury.

I wouldn’t equate a 5HR 100 ride to 3HR marathon though...I did this as a 16year old in August heat and honestly didn’t break a sweat for a charity ride and today a 3Hr marathon would take a considerable effort for me.

Maybe you did and maybe you didn't, but averaging 20 mph solo for 100 miles is not easy. In a good group it's definitely quite a bit easier though.

Mike Tyson would win

Idk I thought it was pretty easy, I also trained a lot probably comparable to the amount of hours I run a week now 10-11 hours.

But I was peak fitness when I was 16-18 so that helped and a fairly solid base from mid distance for track and soccer.

How many feet of elevation did you accumulate on your 5h century? The fact that you didn't mention it in your first post is suspicious to me. Sorry.

It was 12-15 years ago. I don’t have the topography off the top of my head but it was for the pan mass challenge. I did it for 3 years and it’s a fairly famous charity ride in Massachusetts for the jimmy fund.

I’m sure there’s information about it online, have at it.

Looks like 3.3k feet of climb from Sturbridge to Bourne.

You're trying to compare apples and oranges, so which one would do better depends on how you are making the comparison.

It is generally accepted among triathletes that focusing training more on cycling hurts your run less than focusing your training more on running hurts your cycling. Not only that, but Froome is also the superior athlete in his own discipline (i.e. Froome being best in the world vs. Rupp being a bronze-medalist at best).

So hypothetically if you could come up with some kind of fair way to compare apples and oranges, I think Froome wins easily unless he gets injured. I definitely think there would be a good chance of Froome getting injured during a marathon, but I have no way of know what those odds are.

.InjuryProne. wrote:

Isn’t it a moot point seeing Froome pretty banged up ? Haven’t exactly been keeping tabs on him since his injury.

I wouldn’t equate a 5HR 100 ride to 3HR marathon though...I did this as a 16year old in August heat and honestly didn’t break a sweat for a charity ride and today a 3Hr marathon would take a considerable effort for me.

I call BS on this, no way you did a 5hr century at 16 and didn't break a sweat, no way no how.

100k maybe. The Pan Mass challenge is a charity ride, through towns and a participation event, you are not being honest here.

Idk what to tell you. It was 15 years ago I don’t have data points online or anything. I trained with my father who was an avid cyclists and former runner in college.

I rarely sweat when I was cycling. Conversely I sweat profusely when I run.

I don’t think 20mph is incredibly impressive pros average closer to 30mph when they are mucking about in the peloton letting the leaders take off for a couple hours.

.InjuryProne. wrote:

Idk what to tell you. It was 15 years ago I don’t have data points online or anything. I trained with my father who was an avid cyclists and former runner in college.

I rarely sweat when I was cycling. Conversely I sweat profusely when I run.

I don’t think 20mph is incredibly impressive pros average closer to 30mph when they are mucking about in the peloton letting the leaders take off for a couple hours.

That's nice, your dad was an avid cyclist, what cat did he compete at?

Pro's do not average 30mph while mucking around in the peloton? What planet are you on. The cluelessness you exhibit is astounding.

20 mph is not easy for most average guys, sorry to burst your bubble. Rupp could not do it for 100

miles without any prep.

Total BS

chief niwot. wrote:

.InjuryProne. wrote:

Idk what to tell you. It was 15 years ago I don’t have data points online or anything. I trained with my father who was an avid cyclists and former runner in college.

I rarely sweat when I was cycling. Conversely I sweat profusely when I run.

I don’t think 20mph is incredibly impressive pros average closer to 30mph when they are mucking about in the peloton letting the leaders take off for a couple hours.

That's nice, your dad was an avid cyclist, what cat did he compete at?

Pro's do not average 30mph while mucking around in the peloton? What planet are you on. The cluelessness you exhibit is astounding.

20 mph is not easy for most average guys, sorry to burst your bubble. Rupp could not do it for 100

miles without any prep.

Total BS

On a flat course, and I’d consider 3k feet of climb over 100 miles flat, the peloton is absolutely closer to 30mph than it is 20. I’m not talking about when they are not in the mountains that’s apples to oranges.

chief niwot. wrote:

.InjuryProne. wrote:

Isn’t it a moot point seeing Froome pretty banged up ? Haven’t exactly been keeping tabs on him since his injury.

I wouldn’t equate a 5HR 100 ride to 3HR marathon though...I did this as a 16year old in August heat and honestly didn’t break a sweat for a charity ride and today a 3Hr marathon would take a considerable effort for me.

I call BS on this, no way you did a 5hr century at 16 and didn't break a sweat, no way no how.

100k maybe. The Pan Mass challenge is a charity ride, through towns and a participation event, you are not being honest here.

I and many other runners could run 3:00 in a marathon without sweating before age 16.

If these convert similarly, especially if he drafted, I could believe the story.

This thread is dumb.

Froome is a Kenyan. He ran to school every day. He could probably go under 2:30 with no training.

20 mph on a mostly flat route is a zone 2 training ride for a cat 1 or 2 racer. Would be zone 1 for most pros.

Just looking back at my training log I see an 82.7 mile ride in 4:01 (20.5) mph. 3700 feet of elevation gain. 210W average, 227W normalized. 138 bpm average.

If you want to compare, you should have Rupp do a week of hard riding in the mountains, then see what he can do for a 40-60 minute climb with that fatigue in his legs.