Yes it is a Chinese virus. They created it to test a vaccine against it. It went wrong and got out on one person that was not supposed to leave the compound. They then pin it on a nearby market that eats all sorts of detritus . The rest is history. This is old news, but be sure when this ends there will be a backlash against China for this.
krispy kremlin_._._._ wrote:
erik wrote:
It tells you something when people use non-scientific, non-standard terms to try to relabel the disease. What's the motivation? (We all know, you don't need to answer.)
1. It's more accurate (location of origin)
2. We don't use scientific terms for a lot of things (example: do I have a "Canis familiaris" or a "dog"...)
3. People using just "coronavirus" are in some ways being less accurate
4. Arguably, we're not "relabeling" this virus; everyone (including the left wing media (CNN, etc)) had been calling it the Wuhan/Chinese virus from the beginning. It is actually "Covid-19" which is the relabel.
Eric - but just go ahead and keep assuming my motivations and my intents - it got you Trump the first time...
That not how that works.
Add the China Or Wuhan Virus
To the other pandemics out of that part of the world
The Hong Kong flu
The Asian Flu
The list goes on and on from that part of the world
Eliud "Armstrong" Kipchoge wrote:
Who cares. Why can't this guy just act presidential for 30 minutes and read the F***ing script? It's called Coronavirus. It's recognizable, easy to pronounce, easy to spell, etc. Just read the script and minimize controversy. Trump is most certainty not a racist, but he is a petty moron.
Actually....
https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-racism-historyhttps://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/14/opinion/trump-twitter-racism.htmlhttps://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/01/donald-trump-a-racist-sends-awful-tweet-about-mlk-jr-day/https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/08/13/kth-donald-trump-racist-comments-sot-vpx-ac360.cnnhttps://fortune.com/2016/06/07/donald-trump-racism-quotes/Rachel1 wrote:
krispy kremlin_._._._ wrote:
1. It's more accurate (location of origin)
2. We don't use scientific terms for a lot of things (example: do I have a "Canis familiaris" or a "dog"...)
3. People using just "coronavirus" are in some ways being less accurate
4. Arguably, we're not "relabeling" this virus; everyone (including the left wing media (CNN, etc)) had been calling it the Wuhan/Chinese virus from the beginning. It is actually "Covid-19" which is the relabel.
Eric - but just go ahead and keep assuming my motivations and my intents - it got you Trump the first time...
That not how that works.
The Left no longer determines or tells us how things work or what the definitions of words are.
Keep trying to and the resultant will be overwhelming support for Trump in the Fall and another electoral win like in 2016.
It's not "the left", it's We The People. Get ready for November.
I just hope i don’t get the China Virus
Fing up the world
Having the common name of a disease being the place it was first identified is absolutely normal.
9. La Crosse Encephalitis
Discovered in La Crosse, Wisconsin, in 1963, this disease is transmitted by the "treebole mosquito," which lays its eggs in stagnant water. It can survive a cold winter by transmitting from the female mosquito into her eggs, which lie dormant until the spring thaw. It's not usually fatal, but can cause severe brain damage.
10. St. Louis Encephalitis
In 1933 in St. Louis, Missouri, an encephalitis epidemic exploded, with over a thousand cases reported. The virus causing it turned out to live naturally in migratory birds without sickening them. It can be transmitted to humans by Culex mosquitos, causing encephalitis that ranges from mild to life-threatening.
11. Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever
Named for the Rocky Mountains but widespread in North America, this tick-borne bacterial infection is very dangerous, killing up to 5% of infected patients even with advanced treatment. It's transmitted by the dog tick and the wood tick. Symptoms include sudden fever, headache, muscle pain, and rash.
12. Lyme Disease
And as Kathy discussed last week, the name "Lyme disease" has Connecticut roots. While this disease has been present for thousands of years, it wasn’t until a large outbreak of cases in the Connecticut towns of Lyme and Old Lyme during the 1970s that the full syndrome was recognized.
https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/30440/12-diseases-and-lucky-places-they%E2%80%99re-named
[quote]semsurrrrrr wrote:
If "Chinese Virus" is racist, then isn't the "Russian flu" or "Spanish flu"?
It's standard to associate the purported place of origin with the pathogen. Ebola was originally named after the country where it first appeared.
The Spanish flu originated in good old Kansas, USA
Educate yourself please- a people who don't know history are easily duped.
The 1918 pandemic didn’t start with Spain nor was it particularly bad there.
By RACHEL WITHERS
In 1918, an influenza pandemic swept the world, causing more deaths in a year than any event in human history—a rather broadly estimated 50 million to 100 million, or 3 to 6 percent of the world’s population. The flu, which killed around 20 percent of those who contracted it, became known as the “Spanish flu” or the “Spanish Lady.” The name spread, well, like influenza and has persisted to this day.
But just as Chinese checkers wasn’t invented in China, Australian shepherds aren’t from Australia, and freedom fries aren’t French, the Spanish flu did not originate in Spain nor did Spain bear the brunt of it. In fact, of the millions of influenza deaths, less than 260,000 took place in Spain.
The misnomer, according to an episode of the podcast BackStory, came about as a result of geopolitical forces. When the pandemic broke out during World War I, neither side wanted the other to find out they were sick—nor did they want their own troops to lose morale or their publics to panic. News of the outbreak was suppressed or heavily underplayed in Germany, France, the U.K., and the U.S. But Spain, like Switzerland, was neutral in the war, and its media had no qualms about covering the contagious outbreak weakening its population, creating the false impression that this was a Spanish disease. As virologist John Oxford put it: “And the rest of the world I think looked around and said, ‘What’s going on in Spain?’ And so since that time, much to the annoyance of the Spanish and much to the annoyance of Spanish virologists, I can tell you, we’ve all called the Spanish flu ever since.”
https://slate.com/technology/2018/10/spanish-flu-1918-influenza-pandemic-name-misnomer.html
semsurrrrrr wrote:
If "Chinese Virus" is racist, then isn't the "Russian flu" or "Spanish flu"?
It's standard to associate the purported place of origin with the pathogen. Ebola was originally named after the country where it first appeared.
The Zika virus was named after the Ziika forest.
How about German measles or West Nile Virus or Hong Kong flu or Asian flu?
The administration's detractors are so glaringly selective in their determination of what's "rayyyycist."
Probably cuz many of them are in China's pocket?? For weeks the media was calling it the 'Wuhan virus' or something to that effect... they're hypocrites.
It's a wonder these morons aren't absolutely exhausted from all the mental gymnastics they have to do...
This virus hasn't been called "Chinese Virus" by anyone really other than Trump and like a$$holes like you. It has been Novel Coronavirus, or The Coronavirus, or COVID-19.
While Trump is a racist and an a$$hole, his calling this the "Chinese Virus" is not an example of his racism. It's an example of him not caring what anyone other than his stupid base thinks, but he's not doing this because he is racist. He is doing it to distance the virus from him as much as he can. He needs a scapegoat for anything negative.
If you are so concerned about calling things as they should be, then let's call Trump what he is. "The Impeached President Trump".
In case you didn't know you are an a$$hole, you are. I suspect you know that, though. I'm a doctor, and no medical person is calling this the "Chinese Virus". You are an idiot.
semsurrrrrr wrote:
Ernest wrote:
Blame and terminology now coming from the POTUS and White House is only going to make that worse.
I think he actually said 'I don't blame them' or something to the effect. I'm pretty sure he said 'it's nobody's fault' multiple times.
Yes, idiots will attack Chinese or what-have-you, but recognizing that Chinese people are more susceptible to the virus and may be more likely to be infected is not, in and of itself, "racially-motivated."
The priority is saving lives, not protecting feelings.
You really are an idiot.
Trump also said Mexico would pay for the wall, that he'd be the best President the LGBTQ community ever saw, that Hillary would be investigated if he were elected with the goal of locking her up, that repealing and replacing Obamacare would be "so easy" and 15,000 other false or misleading statements since he has been in office. You have something seriously wrong with you beyond just being an idiot. How can you possibly trust anything Trump says after he has lied to you so often? No need to answer. The answer is that you are a dumb@ss.
Allen53 wrote:
Educate yourself please- a people who don't know history are easily duped.
The 1918 pandemic didn’t start with Spain nor was it particularly bad there.
By RACHEL WITHERS
In 1918, an influenza pandemic swept the world, causing more deaths in a year than any event in human history—a rather broadly estimated 50 million to 100 million, or 3 to 6 percent of the world’s population. The flu, which killed around 20 percent of those who contracted it, became known as the “Spanish flu” or the “Spanish Lady.” The name spread, well, like influenza and has persisted to this day.
But just as Chinese checkers wasn’t invented in China, Australian shepherds aren’t from Australia, and freedom fries aren’t French, the Spanish flu did not originate in Spain nor did Spain bear the brunt of it. In fact, of the millions of influenza deaths, less than 260,000 took place in Spain.
The misnomer, according to an episode of the podcast BackStory, came about as a result of geopolitical forces. When the pandemic broke out during World War I, neither side wanted the other to find out they were sick—nor did they want their own troops to lose morale or their publics to panic. News of the outbreak was suppressed or heavily underplayed in Germany, France, the U.K., and the U.S. But Spain, like Switzerland, was neutral in the war, and its media had no qualms about covering the contagious outbreak weakening its population, creating the false impression that this was a Spanish disease. As virologist John Oxford put it: “And the rest of the world I think looked around and said, ‘What’s going on in Spain?’ And so since that time, much to the annoyance of the Spanish and much to the annoyance of Spanish virologists, I can tell you, we’ve all called the Spanish flu ever since.”
https://slate.com/technology/2018/10/spanish-flu-1918-influenza-pandemic-name-misnomer.html
This is why I said "purported place of origin"
Smorbun wrote:
You really are an idiot.
Trump also said Mexico would pay for the wall, that he'd be the best President the LGBTQ community ever saw, that Hillary would be investigated if he were elected with the goal of locking her up, that repealing and replacing Obamacare would be "so easy" and 15,000 other false or misleading statements since he has been in office. You have something seriously wrong with you beyond just being an idiot. How can you possibly trust anything Trump says after he has lied to you so often? No need to answer. The answer is that you are a dumb@ss.
You seem highly emotional, I'll give you a pass since these are trying times. If I were you though, using that kind of language, I would be banned from posting. I already got banned for 48 hours for far 'kinder' language and am now apparently perma-banned from posting on Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread.
That said, I trust him for a number of reasons. Many of these "lies" themselves have been shown to be misleading or outright false, 'lies about lies,' shall we say. I also have enjoyed a lot of benefits under this presidency that I didn't under the previous administration.
Snopes and Politifact and Washington Post aren't the holy gospel, and neither is Trump.
Just remember that, be more discerning, and try to act more rationally (and not like a child)
Jamesengle6 wrote:
Good point. He is trying to cover over his initial poo pooing the virus and
calling it a Dem-inspired hoax. So he he calls it Chinese and claims he was the first to take steps to block it with his immigration policy at our border. Now he's going to claim he's been on it all along and it's another "win" for him.
But it's really his denial and stalling that had left us with too few tests or materials to mitigate it for a long time. People have died due to his/our tardy response.
This is the correct
Stupidity kills wrote:
"Chinese virus" is a dog whistle to re-energize the base. When in doubt, appeal to the racist base.
Well he certainly has quite a few of those supporting him.
I encourage everyone here to stand up to Trump's racism by going out and hugging a Chinese.
not an hysterical snowflake wrote:
Having the common name of a disease being the place it was first identified is absolutely normal.
9. La Crosse Encephalitis
Discovered in La Crosse, Wisconsin, in 1963, this disease is transmitted by the "treebole mosquito," which lays its eggs in stagnant water. It can survive a cold winter by transmitting from the female mosquito into her eggs, which lie dormant until the spring thaw. It's not usually fatal, but can cause severe brain damage.
10. St. Louis Encephalitis
In 1933 in St. Louis, Missouri, an encephalitis epidemic exploded, with over a thousand cases reported. The virus causing it turned out to live naturally in migratory birds without sickening them. It can be transmitted to humans by Culex mosquitos, causing encephalitis that ranges from mild to life-threatening.
11. Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever
Named for the Rocky Mountains but widespread in North America, this tick-borne bacterial infection is very dangerous, killing up to 5% of infected patients even with advanced treatment. It's transmitted by the dog tick and the wood tick. Symptoms include sudden fever, headache, muscle pain, and rash.
12. Lyme Disease
And as Kathy discussed last week, the name "Lyme disease" has Connecticut roots. While this disease has been present for thousands of years, it wasn’t until a large outbreak of cases in the Connecticut towns of Lyme and Old Lyme during the 1970s that the full syndrome was recognized.
https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/30440/12-diseases-and-lucky-places-they%E2%80%99re-named
The issue is that Trump called it the Chinese virus as opposed to the China virus. China refers to a country or place and Chinese refers to a people and culture. There are Chinese people in the US and all over the world that have never been to China, including many Chinese Americans. Calling it a Chinese virus implies it could have come from anyone of Chinese descent, not necessarily from the country of China - including the Chinese waitress working at the restaurant down the street, whose family may have been in the US for many generations.
This distinction is exactly why the term Chinese virus has racial connotations and term China virus does not necessarily. Of course Trump knows this very well.
The media agenda is out in full force. Anyone who associates the virus with China or Chinese people is automatically labeled racist. That is a pathetic media cop out because it is 100% Chinas fault as they enabled the disease ridden wet markets, placed economic prosperity above human health and lied to the rest of the world about the disease which enabled the spread. F the Chinese coronavirus and their selfish government and the narrative controlling, sheep herding media!!! 100
low life for life heartless wrote:
The media agenda is out in full force. Anyone who associates the virus with China or Chinese people is automatically labeled racist. That is a pathetic media cop out because it is 100% Chinas fault as they enabled the disease ridden wet markets, placed economic prosperity above human health and lied to the rest of the world about the disease which enabled the spread. F the Chinese coronavirus and their selfish government and the narrative controlling, sheep herding media!!! 100
Trump has every right to be pissed off with the government of China for hiding the full scope of the virus from the world. There is a difference between blaming the Chinese government and blaming Chinese Americans who have never even set foot in China.