Steph Bruce has a target on her back: “ There’s an undeniable trend with the East African countries testing positive”

What does Willis have to do with Bruce's statement?

I think you have to be careful to generalize everyone in every situation.

I know plenty of people who have gone to train in Kenya in the winter. A) The weather is very moderate Nov-Feb compared to the northern hemisphere especially at that elevation that time of year. B) It's very cost effective compared to a training camp in any western world country. C) There are few distractions. D) Training partners are not a problem.

Are there people doping in East Africa? Yes absolutely as has been proven. Are there people doping from all corners of the globe? Yes Absolutely.. You have people doping in Flagstaff, Colorado and everywhere else that high level endurance athletes are training. At the end of the day it's not the country, a person's citizenship or PR's. It's up to the person THEMSELVES and the decisions THEY make not to be involved with doping or to be associated with people that are regardless of where they are.

She's not wrong. But OOC testing in the US is a joke. The testing pool is tiny and I bet Steph Bruce isn't in it. If you think US athletes are clean then you don't know athletics history. She can't do much about doping control in Kenya but she has a voice in the US. Her and others should focus on those fights a bit more instead of leaving it to retired pros like Goucher.

That whole NAZ team needs to get off their high horse. Feigan and Chipangama both were caught doping while training in Flagstaff. Does that mean everyone who trains in Flagstaff doesn’t look good? Chpangama actually trained with NAZ. And then we have Fauble saying that Tuliamuk will be joined by only 2 great competitors is the Olympics and mentions Riley and Seidel but nothing about Galen, Abdi and Kipyego. He and Bruce and go away now.

Biggest Waste of PR pre-Trials

1. Gwen Jorgensen

2. Allie Kieffer

3. Parker Stinson

4. Scott Fauble

5. Stephanie Bruce

This guy went a little off the rails in his rant, but he's correct. You can get anything you want in America, if you are willing to pay for it. This includes EPO, 13 year old sex partners, any number of illicit drugs, and anything else your heart wants. I suspect the same applies to Kenya. Money talks in the world. I would say you can EPO with equal ease in both countries. Especially when you have highly connected, wealthy agents doing the transactions.

sesamoiditis wrote:

That whole NAZ team needs to get off their high horse. Feigan and Chipangama both were caught doping while training in Flagstaff. Does that mean everyone who trains in Flagstaff doesn’t look good? Chpangama actually trained with NAZ. And then we have Fauble saying that Tuliamuk will be joined by only 2 great competitors is the Olympics and mentions Riley and Seidel but nothing about Galen, Abdi and Kipyego. He and Bruce and go away now.

Chipangama is now going whistle blower on the NAZ training group . He wants a doping reduction and guess he is ready to sing to USADA.

If history has told us anything it's that the East African's have always been better than Americans (and Europeans). Apart from the drugs, the food, the climate and (wait for it) THE CULTURE in Ethiopia and Kenya is better for training. Ethiopia celebrated for 3 days when Tirunesh Dibaba got MARRIED. My friend was adopted to the US from Ethiopia in middle school and had never seen packaged food before.

If you think training at these meccas of distance running looks bad you've probably been sniffing that NIKE glue... I mean come on, do you think the Americans are all clean? Americans have just gotten sneakier about hiding it....(yes RUPP - I'm looking at you)

Bruce, with the 11th fastest qualifying time, finished 6th and closed strong, so I wouldn't say she had a bad race or didn't justify any pre-race publicity she got.

sesamoiditis wrote:

That whole NAZ team needs to get off their high horse. Feigan and Chipangama both were caught doping while training in Flagstaff. Does that mean everyone who trains in Flagstaff doesn’t look good? Chpangama actually trained with NAZ. And then we have Fauble saying that Tuliamuk will be joined by only 2 great competitors is the Olympics and mentions Riley and Seidel but nothing about Galen, Abdi and Kipyego. He and Bruce and go away now.

Breathe deep and type English next time.

A broader perspective wrote:

At the end of the day it's not the country, a person's citizenship or PR's. It's up to the person THEMSELVES and the decisions THEY make not to be involved with doping or to be associated with people that are regardless of where they are.

False.

It is the country and the culture.

Everyone in the DDR was doped in the 80's.

Everyone in US Postal was doped in the 00's.

Just like every East African is doped today. And that includes the transplants who run for another country.

poiuuu wrote:

A broader perspective wrote:

At the end of the day it's not the country, a person's citizenship or PR's. It's up to the person THEMSELVES and the decisions THEY make not to be involved with doping or to be associated with people that are regardless of where they are.

False.

It is the country and the culture.

Everyone in the DDR was doped in the 80's.

Everyone in US Postal was doped in the 00's.

Just like every East African is doped today. And that includes the transplants who run for another country.

Nowhere near the amount of evidence to support that. This is what someone who has an excuse for always losing would write.

Wait..... wrote:

You guys think its easier to get PEDs in Kenya than in the US...

Yes due to lack of regulations it is way easier. I thought this was common knowledge by now.

Kenyan born American wrote:

Her tweet is racist and tells us a little more about what kind of person she is. Paul Chelimo tried to explain to her that many of us return to see family but she never backed off. She will always be hated within our community.

@Steph_Rothstein

There’s an undeniable trend with the East African countries testing positive. Word of caution to US athletes who go over to Ethiopia and Kenya to train. It doesn’t look good. And basing our rankings and performances against world lists is becoming increasingly convoluted.

Good for Steph speaking out . The penalties for doping are too weak. The 2016 Womens Steeple Gold medal needs to be removed from Jebet . Also , the men need to stand up. and speak out as well in the US . At the same time , it is not a good look for USATF to have coaches that have past drug infractions still in the mix . This is a worse look for American's

Only asholes and haters call tweets racist

That’s a factual statement

runderun wrote:

She's not wrong. But OOC testing in the US is a joke. The testing pool is tiny and I bet Steph Bruce isn't in it. If you think US athletes are clean then you don't know athletics history. She can't do much about doping control in Kenya but she has a voice in the US. Her and others should focus on those fights a bit more instead of leaving it to retired pros like Goucher.

She made a sweeping generalization; she’s by definition wrong. She also indirectly is specifically calling certain individuals without saying their names. She might as well have said “begins with ab and ends with dhi.”

It’s a bad look for her but she’s always come off as a bitter sore loser.

What about Agents that have been associated with known drug cheats?

Josh Cox has a history with the Rosa’s and his star athlete Des Linden has spent long training periods in Kenya and has been associated with thyroid meds.

Why would any athlete go to East Africa, the doping Mecca of the world, if you don't want to juice yourself?

Steph is absolutely right.

Kenyan born American wrote:

Please list the Non East Africans that she is pointing fingers at?

Desiree Linden trained in Kenya before Boston for 2 years. Is she trying to hide from USADA?

It's hard to look at guys like Julian Wanders who were running 8:18 3000 and 13:37 5000 back in 2017 and are now world-beaters and not question legitimacy.

Raising the question is a positive thing to do.

Not racist at all... she stating a FACT.

Shut up! It’s like saying the “Chinese caused the coronavirus!” It’s a fact not a racist comment.