Emma Coburn Destroys Mo Farah - "Why anyone would choose to cheer for this person is beyond me."

schmutzig wrote:

One guy in the twitter comments insinuating that coburn is anti-Islamic. News flash: He’s just a lying cheat that happens to be Muslim, dumbaśs.

That's how it works nowadays...if a cop shoots someone with a gun pointed at them, they only did it because they person was ____ race. If someone doesn't get a job, it's because they are ___ race and not because they weren't the best qualified. If something doesn't go in the favor of someone, it must be because of their race.

TheRunningTroll wrote:

schmutzig wrote:

One guy in the twitter comments insinuating that coburn is anti-Islamic. News flash: He’s just a lying cheat that happens to be Muslim, dumbaśs.

That's how it works nowadays...if a cop shoots someone with a gun pointed at them, they only did it because they person was ____ race. If someone doesn't get a job, it's because they are ___ race and not because they weren't the best qualified. If something doesn't go in the favor of someone, it must be because of their race.

More findings from another thread (poster fuzzy details) that I thought applicable here:

Seems to have had an alleged test refusal at British champs.

@cherry creek

schmutzig wrote:

mol_42 wrote:

So Farah lied about taking a fully legal substance before a race and now he's guilty? Right...

Mo isn't an intelligent runner either. If you've ever heard him talk about running, you can tell he knows literally nothing about training plans. The guy just runs, and does what his coach tells him to. He did improve a lot when he joined up with Salazar, but did you see him run before? His form was all over the place.

I'm not defending or supporting anyone, just that the case so far is weak and needs stronger evidence for me to say he's a cheat.

Watch his 5000m heat from 2008 in Beijing, and then genuinely tell me that you thought he’d be a 3:28 man and double olympic champion only 5 years on.

Yea, give an already elite athlete 5 years with great coaching and he will probably be very good.

equal Rupp intensity wrote:

schmutzig wrote:

One guy in the twitter comments insinuating that coburn is anti-Islamic. News flash: He’s just a lying cheat that happens to be Muslim, dumbaśs.

It is easy for Coburn to go after a black man born on the other side of the world who is a citizen of another country. Everything Coburn said about M Farah she could have said about Galen Rupp. Now that Rupp is off the sauce, Rupp a 3:50.xx one miler is running like a 13:50/27:50 5K/10K guy. If Coburn had equal intensity going after Farah and Rupp, you could have possibly been correct. Since Coburn only went after Farah ... . I think all these women who get down to around 10% body fat are suspect PED users.

This is false. Rupp did not lie to anti-doping officials. Literally the only things she said were not true of Rupp.

TheRunningTroll wrote:

schmutzig wrote:

One guy in the twitter comments insinuating that coburn is anti-Islamic. News flash: He’s just a lying cheat that happens to be Muslim, dumbaśs.

That's how it works nowadays...if a cop shoots someone with a gun pointed at them, they only did it because they person was ____ race. If someone doesn't get a job, it's because they are ___ race and not because they weren't the best qualified. If something doesn't go in the favor of someone, it must be because of their race.

No. The data does not show this. You are merely reacting to a few high profile cases. Most cops walk away with little proper investigation into their actions.

equal Rupp intensity wrote:

schmutzig wrote:

One guy in the twitter comments insinuating that coburn is anti-Islamic. News flash: He’s just a lying cheat that happens to be Muslim, dumbaśs.

It is easy for Coburn to go after a black man born on the other side of the world who is a citizen of another country. Everything Coburn said about M Farah she could have said about Galen Rupp. Now that Rupp is off the sauce, Rupp a 3:50.xx one miler is running like a 13:50/27:50 5K/10K guy. If Coburn had equal intensity going after Farah and Rupp, you could have possibly been correct. Since Coburn only went after Farah ... . I think all these women who get down to around 10% body fat are suspect PED users.

She is referencing this specific situation with this specific athlete on Twitter. Which has a character limit. Mo is in the news. You truly belief its on her shoulders to not discuss the news?

Are you really going to make the argument that the media has not put equal emphasis on Rupp as Mo in this particular case?

Mo is at risk of having bad or racist press more than Rupp but both have received scrutiny..don't you think?

Beyond that, Coburn has referenced and spoken about the situation with NOP as well as retweeted the Pro publica report which names athletes.

She's also talked about her opinions on this on the clean sport collective podcast.

Coburn is an athlete. Its unfair and unreasonable to demand that if she speaks out one time she NOW should be some activist speaking out all the time. Stop

GarminGuy wrote:

schmutzig wrote:

Watch his 5000m heat from 2008 in Beijing, and then genuinely tell me that you thought he’d be a 3:28 man and double olympic champion only 5 years on.

Yea, give an already elite athlete 5 years with great coaching and he will probably be very good.

You don’t think Mottram as a training partner and Nic Bideau as a coach isn’t “good”? Think professional training camps in Kenya weren’t enough?

No. The data does not show this. You are merely reacting to a few high profile cases. Any white cop who even upsets a minority will receive intense scrutiny.1

Badoomtish wrote:

Before we look to attribute Farah's success to doping, for which there isn't even circumstantial evidence - seriously, none at all, nothing of what I have seen would stand up in court even on the balance of probabilities. For me, Farah's success is down to two things:

You guys are incredible. He worked out with Jama Aden in Sabadell and lied about both his association with Aden and the fact that he'd been in Sabadell (there was even a picture of him at the track!), he had injections of L-Carnatine and lied about it, missed a doping test because he was "in the shower", worked with another shady coach (Salazar), and came out of nowhere to PR by huge amounts at age 26 after competing at a high level for several years.

Damn this is crazy. These cheaters are eating each other alive.

schmutzig wrote:

GarminGuy wrote:

Yea, give an already elite athlete 5 years with great coaching and he will probably be very good.

You don’t think Mottram as a training partner and Nic Bideau as a coach isn’t “good”? Think professional training camps in Kenya weren’t enough?

I was just going to post this. Bideau is one of the most well respected coaches out there and Mottram was just whipping Mo's a**. And talk about form...ridiculous. Form will not take you anywhere near the jump that Farah has made. The documentary on YouTube on Mottram had him going to try to break the CR at Healthy Kidney and before the race they had talked about several competitors with no mention of Mo Farah at all. Farah came in second and Mottram was genuinely surprised. They talked about some random Moroccan and Anthony Famiglietti. Famiglietti got more consideration. This type of progression simply doesn't happen.

self inf wrote:

Damn this is crazy. These cheaters are eating each other alive.

Dost the lady protest too much?

Didn't even know he was a Muslim. Not a fan of his but funny how track athletes continue to cannibalize each other. Smh. They don't understand that. You see this in most other sports, no.

How long until Emma gets popped and tests positive now? Lol

David S wrote:

Badoomtish wrote:

Before we look to attribute Farah's success to doping, for which there isn't even circumstantial evidence - seriously, none at all, nothing of what I have seen would stand up in court even on the balance of probabilities. For me, Farah's success is down to two things:

You guys are incredible. He worked out with Jama Aden in Sabadell and lied about both his association with Aden and the fact that he'd been in Sabadell (there was even a picture of him at the track!), he had injections of L-Carnatine and lied about it, missed a doping test because he was "in the shower", worked with another shady coach (Salazar), and came out of nowhere to PR by huge amounts at age 26 after competing at a high level for several years.

That's a nice pile of conjecture you've got yourself there, buddy. Ask a lawyer friend if any of that would be considered evidence in any way.

And who would have guessed that an elite athlete at there theoretical physical peak age would set their best times! Nice work Columbo.

schmutzig wrote:

One guy in the twitter comments insinuating that coburn is anti-Islamic. News flash: He’s just a lying cheat that happens to be Muslim, dumbaśs.

Of course. Claiming racism, the last refuge of the scoundrel.

Gwalkerruns wrote:

Someone ask Emma why she is coached by the first person to use the infamous Dr. Brown.....

What are you referencing? Sorry haven't been following the sport for awhile.

runderun wrote:

David S wrote:

You guys are incredible. He worked out with Jama Aden in Sabadell and lied about both his association with Aden and the fact that he'd been in Sabadell (there was even a picture of him at the track!), he had injections of L-Carnatine and lied about it, missed a doping test because he was "in the shower", worked with another shady coach (Salazar), and came out of nowhere to PR by huge amounts at age 26 after competing at a high level for several years.

That's a nice pile of conjecture you've got yourself there, buddy. Ask a lawyer friend if any of that would be considered evidence in any way.

And who would have guessed that an elite athlete at there theoretical physical peak age would set their best times! Nice work Columbo.

Phew, that's a relief. Having read that almost surgical deconstruction of the arguments against Mo, I'm totally 100% behind him again, and I'm sure the rest of the board is too. Go Mo!!

At least you're more concise than Rekrunner. I hope they're not paying you both by Euros per word.