Fridge Raider: Inside the Diet of Ultra-Marathoner Jim Walmsley

Eat more Tofu wrote:

Couch Surfer wrote:

There's an ultra runner that advocates "fruitarianism ," which seems wild to me. The guy basically only consumes raw fresh fruits and some veggies.

I guess you are you talking about the Frutarian who had to go to prison.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/manhattan-businessman-sentenced-nine-months-prison-forging-federal-court-orders-remove

Vegan psychosis

:-)

big HONKING birds wrote:

Peter Zha wrote:

Notorious junk-food junkie Karl Meltzer, the speedgoat, is still winning 100s in his 50s.

What's so bad about pizza? Meat, cheese, vegs, oil, bread. Put it in a different form and it seems okay. Had pizza last night. We make it about once a week. It's been years since I've had any pizza other than homemade pizza with organic, whole-grain, locally-sourced hoity toity ingredients, but even a pizza place pizza isn't that bad.

The bad part about pizza regardless of where it's from is the saturated fat and the sodium. Once a week isn't that big of a deal for someone who generally eats healthy.

Actually, the saturated fat and sodium, along with protein, are the only healthy things in pizza. The best thing to do is just scrape everything off the crust, onto a steak, and throw the bread in the compost.

Walmsley eats just like Rodgers did when Rodgers was 30. Or me for that matter. It works, but won't in another decade or so.

Where's Waldo when you need him wrote:

zzzz wrote:

I'm 50, run 80+ miles a week ... and look young - get mistaken for 20s or 30s all the time.

Ha ha ha... no. This literally does not happen.

Have had echocardiogram and stress echocardiogram, doctors have said I have zero chance of heart disease.

Ha ha ha. Man you are just full of the jokes today. That or you are just flat out delusional. Multiple doctors have told you that you have ZERO chance of heart disease? You need to find some new doctors there, pal. Or maybe these "doctors" are just voices in your head?

Echocardiogram was from about 15 years ago, to investigate what the doctor thought was abnormal EKG. Turned out it was just because I'm super fit - he didn't know I was an athlete. He was also looking at numbers from my annual medical surveillance physical blood tests. Had the stress echo maybe 7 years ago due to unexplained chest pain. The regular doctor and cardiologist literally said I had no chance of having heart disease.

I actually get a shock out of any stranger every time when I've had reason to tell them my real age (to correct an incorrect perception, or when I've been asked directly). It literally happens. A neighbor how lives up the road from me for 9 years literally said she thought I was in my 20s or 30s. I'm Asian ethnically, and a lot of Asians age like that. My dad received similar comments when he was my age (and still has black hair at 81).

Here's a random 50-year old Asian off an internet search:

YMMV wrote:

big HONKING birds wrote:

The bad part about pizza regardless of where it's from is the saturated fat and the sodium. Once a week isn't that big of a deal for someone who generally eats healthy.

Actually, the saturated fat and sodium, along with protein, are the only healthy things in pizza. The best thing to do is just scrape everything off the crust, onto a steak, and throw the bread in the compost.

You cant tell me this isn't satire at this point

big HONKING birds wrote:

Peter Zha wrote:

Notorious junk-food junkie Karl Meltzer, the speedgoat, is still winning 100s in his 50s.

What's so bad about pizza? Meat, cheese, vegs, oil, bread. Put it in a different form and it seems okay. Had pizza last night. We make it about once a week. It's been years since I've had any pizza other than homemade pizza with organic, whole-grain, locally-sourced hoity toity ingredients, but even a pizza place pizza isn't that bad.

The bad part about pizza regardless of where it's from is the saturated fat and the sodium. Once a week isn't that big of a deal for someone who generally eats healthy.

You really think sodium is bad for someone that runs that much??

Eat more Tofu wrote:

The biggest problem is that bad food doesn't hurt you much if you are young. But eventually it will catch up to you. So if you are young and fast you better start thinking about what you eat and why you eat it now and change it, so that you can be old and fast as well.

Age has nothing to do with it. Young people who burn too little calories are just as fat as old people who burn too few calories. At 54, I weighed the least I have since 17. (126-128) because between working and running, I was probably burning 3,500 calories a day. As soon as I cut my hours back this winter, I gained a few lbs even though I increased my mileage 20 miles per week. Too many people get sedentary when they are older and burn a lot fewer calories.

Here is a good article by Nancy Clark

For somebody running 150-170 miles a week, it is nearly impossible to replenish calories eating so called "healthy" food. You start going into a 1,0000 or 1,500 calorie deficit every day and you soon will be running a lot less miles.

Don’t have to eat like a health nut to maintain a good health. What Walmsley eats now is fine. Dude exercises a lot and guess what... people aren’t the same. Woah. Some of you like to sound like experts I’m seeing.

google dot com wrote:

YMMV wrote:

Actually, the saturated fat and sodium, along with protein, are the only healthy things in pizza. The best thing to do is just scrape everything off the crust, onto a steak, and throw the bread in the compost.

You cant tell me this isn't satire at this point

The joke is on anyone who doesn't understand that grains are garbage, along with seed oils and legumes. About the only plant products not loaded with antinutrients and toxins are certain berries and fruit, which nonetheless are low in nutrients.

Soy Boy wrote:

Eat more Tofu wrote:

ZZZZ is probably in his early 20ies on the straight path to alcoholism, diabetes and obesity.

I’m guessing you have a dad bod and/or man boobs.

Actually I don't anymore because in my early 40s I realised I can't keep on eating carp and expect my body to operate optimally. But don't worry sonny, you will learn it the hard way - just like I did.

Whatever works!

https://spikes.worldathletics.org/post/steve-jones-iconic-welshman

"Fuelled on a non-diet of meat pies, Coca Cola and Mars bars, Jones was an uncomplicated but utterly compelling athlete. For a period during the mid-80s he was the most feared marathoner on the planet."

Ed Whitlock "... followed no special diet, other than to eat enough to keep his weight up."

Nonsense, what's garbage is thinking any one diet or any one type of food is the miracle for everyone?

And what's also garbage is not recognizing that everyone is different and has different. Genetics and different metabolism

But the simplest thing is that eating a variety of foods Is the best advice

Fruits vegetables whole grains healthy Meats healthy Dairy nuts and seeds legumes potatoes mushroom spices

Eat a varied diet

All human civilizations that had access to a variety of foods ate a variety of foods.

All tribal people eat meat and animal products and a wide range of foods

If you can afford it, obviously go with the healthiest and best quality. Food you can buy

Quinoa chia seeds, sprouted seeds and Grains can be incredibly helpful for any endurance athlete.

Refined sugars can be problematic for people as they age

Avoid too much refined sugars and avoid preservatives artificial flavors and colors

. That's about the only thing you should definitely not eat is artificial preservatives flavors and colors. And artificial salt and stabilizers excetera. Basically any artificial chemicals that have been shown to have negative effects?

Definitely also too many refined sugars are bad. As our bodies are not equipped to process. Too much refined sugar. It overloads the system

Grains have been a food option for less then 3% of human evolution, and for most ethnicities much less than that. Compared to pre-agricultural people, post-agricultural people lost 10% of brain size and six inches of stature, and became subject to increased disease and famine. Every grain-based society underwent a massive collapse as they depleted soils and destroyed their immediate ecosystem. We are now operating with a system supported artificially by fossil fuels, which is depleting soils worldwide. It takes a century to rebuild 1" of topsoil, we are using up 3-4"/century, leaving us with perhaps 60 more harvests. Only regenerative grazing can rebuild soil at a faster rate and save topsoils in the long run.

You're not understanding the difference between Cultivated grains and mass Agriculture and the fact that Wild Grains have been eaten by humans for millions of years.

Wild grains are eaten by many different species and were part of human diet when we were hunters and gatherers

. You're talking about a big change that happened when people had only access to cultivated grains. And stopped eating a variety of foods.

What you're talking about happened when people switch to eating only grains.

Grains can be very healthy. Whole grains are a great source of many vitamins nutrients protein. As well as fiber

. And there's a whole variety of whole grains. Quinoa amaranth kamut wheat, there's tons of different grains

. Not sure how you came to have this view but you're taking one piece of information and running wild with it

Wild grains in their natural state are a negligible energy source for hunter gatherers, and then only in limited environments such as the Middle East. It essentially just grass seed, and loaded with defence toxins which attack the gut.

The paleontology is well established. For vast swaths of our prehistory our diet was predominantly animal-derived foods, which supported the development of brains three times larger than omnivore primates and guts 1/3 in size, as well as long-distance running ability for pursuit predation. We weren't spending hours a day running down grass seeds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kCuuiQrrNY

YMMV wrote:

Wild grains in their natural state are a negligible energy source for hunter gatherers, and then only in limited environments such as the Middle East. It essentially just grass seed, and loaded with defence toxins which attack the gut.

The paleontology is well established. For vast swaths of our prehistory our diet was predominantly animal-derived foods, which supported the development of brains three times larger than omnivore primates and guts 1/3 in size, as well as long-distance running ability for pursuit predation. We weren't spending hours a day running down grass seeds.

I have decided that YMMV is not a real person. Somebody made up a fake identity to spread BS around meat eating.

You're trying to naively simplify things.

What's Common knowledge is that all hunter-gatherers were omnivorous.

They ate a wide variety of foods. And Wild Grains were part of many hunter-gatherer diets.

And honestly, it doesn't really matter what matters now is utilizing the best nutrition

And what you're quoting is just from certain civilizations that switch to a predominant cereal diet and had a little access to a wide variety of foods

And it's mostly skeletal health. This idea that our brains became smaller due to diet is nonsense. Our brains did become smaller, but it was just because of evolution. With severe malnutrition sure, your brain won't develop properly. But there's no evidence today that eating primarily grains causes your brain to be 10% smaller than someone that eats a lot of animal protein.

. In the modern world you're at your healthiest when you eat a varied diet

. I'm in no disagreement with you that animal products can be incredibly healthy

. Healthy Meat and Fish and dairy is a great nutrient dense food.

saying you shouldn't eat whole grains like quinoa and seeds like flax hemp. Chia sunflower sesame pumpkin , is crazy

To say you shouldn't eat. Potatoes and mushrooms And all Sorts of fruits and vegetables is also crazy.

Bottom line is eat a varied diet. Start with vegetables and then add meats and whole grains and everything else. In proportion of what works for you! And avoid artificial crap

Ezrun wrote:

Bottom line is eat a varied diet. Start with vegetables and then add meats and whole grains and everything else. In proportion of what works for you! And avoid artificial crap

Eggxactly :-)