KATELYN TUOHY TO NC STATE

Scholarships united wrote:

Full includes tuition, room, board, books, travel, abd expenses. You end up with several grand in your pocket. No coach is dumb enough to give a true 100% athletic scholarship to anyone.

Actually, it does happen, albeit not too often and only for the truly special athletes. Schools have been known to pay 100% of everything including setting you up with a scam work-study job, put money in your pocket and make it possible for your parents to come see you compete. Obviously a school like NC State can't do it when they are offering scholarships to half dozen other girls. The rare kid who came come in and instantly score points in 2-3 events and compete for national titles will get everything the school has to offer.

Yes and no. Yes it happens. No, still not a full athletic scholarship. Need based aid comes first then academic aid then athletic. There are no full athletic scholarships in track. None.

With all of that said, at least in terms of reputation NCSU is certainly on par with UNC, Wake, Maryland, Virginia, etc., and in terms of engineering, it is just a notch below your top tier schools. This is the perspective of someone who has interviewed, hired, fired and worked with graduates from all of the schools mentioned and many-many more. No one is confusing NCSU with Duke, Sandford or an Ivy, but I have never heard of an employer turning their nose up at an NCSU graduate.

Disagree about reputation being on par overall with Virginia or even UNC. In engineering a little below Clemson and around Va Tech.

But more than good enough.

"NC State alum takes part in first all-female spacewalk " - about Christina Koch

http://www.technicianonline.com/news/article_00e7fb74-f535-11e9-be6b-13dd3d96e387.html

How do you think NC State is presenting the scholarship offers to all these top distance recruits

Obviously they just landed three of the top 10 girls cross country runners in the nation

And they got the top recruit last year

Just curious how you think they actually present the offers

Because don't the students have to sign a contract isn't it a legitimate numbers offer

In other words they can't just say we're going to Crunch the numbers and see what we can do for you and figure things out

They have to put in writing exactly how much of a scholarship they're getting

Anyway a lot of people reporting they were giving out 100% full athletic scholarships to the top recruits

That's what was reported in a couple papers regarding their top recruits

I'm not saying that is completely accurate. I realize things get embellished and the media plays the telephone game so to speak

But that is how it's been reported that they were just going all out on distance and cross-country and you'd have to think that a lot of these girls if you are a top-five distance runner in the country in your graduating class you'd have to think that you have a lot of 100% full athletic scholarships offers

I know it's pretty rare but you'd have to think if anyone's going to get it it's going to be the best couple of Runners who can do both cross country and track

100% athletic scholarships are definitely given. I am a foreign athlete who ran at a d1 school. Along with other foreign athletes on the team, I received a 100% athletic scholarship- full tuition, full board and meals, books, travel and expenses. They also paid my health insurance costs. The only cost they could not cover were overseas flights to and from home

Just curious how many athletes on the team were on full athletic scholarship?

How did the other teammates who weren't getting full athletic scholarships feel about it

Was it at all based on performance did you have to hit certain numbers to keep that scholarship full?

We were not talking about foreigners. Yes there are a few foreigners taking a full rides at non P5 schools because they are academically inferior to American students that the non-running community has never heard of. All of the girls committed to NC State are smart which means that they will receive some type of academic aid. Most students do. Other students receive need based aid. Foreigners typically receive neither.

dontseeit wrote:

Disagree about reputation being on par overall with Virginia or even UNC. In engineering a little below Clemson and around Va Tech.

But more than good enough.

"NC State alum takes part in first all-female spacewalk " - about Christina Koch

http://www.technicianonline.com/news/article_00e7fb74-f535-11e9-be6b-13dd3d96e387.html

since when did the govt get the brightest bulbs in the world, lol

There is a brief interview with her on the decision for NC State and she basically says she thought she would do the best where she would be happiest and that was NC State. Asked about a NCAA championship and she said her goal for the team would be podium.

https://www.lohud.com/story/sports/high-school/track/2019/12/29/track-saunders-matusz-bravo-do-well-marine-corps-holiday-classic/2755141001/

Every college has successful graduates. It is the number and percentage that determine how good a school is. Some college dropouts are millionaires but that is not the recommended path for most.

fastTuohy wrote:

There is a brief interview with her on the decision for NC State and she basically says she thought she would do the best where she would be happiest and that was NC State. Asked about a NCAA championship and she said her goal for the team would be podium.

https://www.lohud.com/story/sports/high-school/track/2019/12/29/track-saunders-matusz-bravo-do-well-marine-corps-holiday-classic/2755141001/

Thought so. NCSU is big school but the campus feels smaller and the students are laid back. It's in Raleigh but the area around it is mostly residential and the college strip area is small but a neat place. It's generally a nice place to go to school. The ambitious can major in electrical engineering or take classes at nearby Duke or UNC.

NCSU's long standing womens distance underachievement is understandable. There are some talented runners that see the sport as something to do when they're young and they are attracted to a school like this. In another thread someone mentioned that NCSU distance doesn't focus on track so the only real competitive season is XC the fall. How much will a runner improve only running competitively for half a year? What school would give scholarships for that? Anyway, this is really the ideal college athlete experience. Also, after a year Tuohy can get in state tuition and quit running altogether.

That is an illogical statement. She could have gotten a $300k education at Stanford or Notre Dame for free but she can pay $25k per year in state at North Carolina State. Even if she ended up wanting to quit running, going to practice 2 hours per day in exchange for $300k, sounds like the best job ever.

Scholar Expert wrote:

That is an illogical statement. She could have gotten a $300k education at Stanford or Notre Dame for free but she can pay $25k per year in state at North Carolina State. Even if she ended up wanting to quit running, going to practice 2 hours per day in exchange for $300k, sounds like the best job ever.

It's very rational to go after what you want instead of following others' priorities.

There's more to college life than running.

No one cares about an Notre Dame diploma outside the Midwest. Without football Notre Dame is another Marquette.

The first 2 statements are in conflict. She could have gone to a good college but instead chose entirely based on running. And Notre Dame is ranked 15th by US News.

quite logical

a fair comparison is a $300,000 education at Stanford/Notre Dame vs. a $200,000 education at NC State all for free.

Critical here is she wanted to stay on the East Coast so that eliminated Stanford/Notre Dame from the start.

So at NC State she gets East Coast, 8hr drive or easy/cheap flight to Raleigh for family, warm weather, friendly familiar teammates, reliable access to conference/regional/NCAA meets, and $200,000 of free school (more if 5 years).

Academically, it's her choice. If she wants to focus on running and coast in school, she has that option. Also if she wants to get the most out of academics, she can choose that route too.

Stanford and Notre Dame (and Duke and Vanderbilt ) are definitely more prestigious, but in specific majors NC State is very strong, and if she wants to later go to grad school NC State can deliver that if she performs well academically.

She had access to good advice and made a mature well thought through choice.

Scholar Expert wrote:

That is an illogical statement. She could have gotten a $300k education at Stanford or Notre Dame for free but she can pay $25k per year in state at North Carolina State. Even if she ended up wanting to quit running, going to practice 2 hours per day in exchange for $300k, sounds like the best job ever.

She chose NC State over Stanford/Michigan which are both superior academically and reputation-wise for three main reasons:

1) She is friends with some of the other runners at NC State and wants to be together with them

2) Stanford: This school is extremely demanding academically and NOT suited for someone pursuing a pro-running career. The academic workload is just too much if you want to have a life on top of running, no matter how smart you are. KT knew that she would have a lot more freetime at NC State and could focus much better on her running career than on super tough courses and exams. Also, she will keep being the smartest in class, in Stanford the competition would be much higher.

3) Michigan: Good school, facilities, runners, but very cold many months of the year. She struggled in some cold-weather races, just like some people underperformed in hot conditions her weakness was the cold. She will be much happier training in a decent climate throughout most of the year than in several degrees below freezing the whole winter and some spring/autumn.

If her main goal was to get the best job she could and the running is just a side-thing for her, yes she would have made the wrong choice. But if she wants to continue to pursue running professionally, and see how fast she can really get, then NC State is a perfect environment for her.

Does the Saturday Evening Post rank colleges? Poor Richards Almanac? Bunch of b.$.

The US News and World Report is recognized as the premier ranking service of colleges. But your inference is well taken. I also thought it was ranked too high. Its reputation would put it in 100 places lower.