Not trying to start an argument, but what makes you say this is a forced female hire? Do you know any coaches who applied that you feel should have gotten the job?
Not trying to start an argument, but what makes you say this is a forced female hire? Do you know any coaches who applied that you feel should have gotten the job?
outsider69 wrote:
rayi123 wrote:
The majority of college programs for track and field and cross country are now numbers based to boost tuition Net revenue. Very small percentage of the D1 are fully funded. This is not a D2 or a D3 issue it’s What track and field coaches deal with every day. Some of those colleges are extremely talented teams. Your lack of understanding of how colleges see sports outside of football and basketball shows a lack of experience.
How much "net revenue" actually goes to the team compared to how much money is brought in? I need numbers.
Based on the math of what we had to work with at one of the schools I was employed at, compared to roster size, approximately $5,000 (out of 21,000 in-state tuition/fees, room and board) per student-athlete on the roster. So 100 student athletes meant 500,000 for salaries, operating budget, scholarships etc.
500,000 sounds like a lot of money, right? Well, lets see.
8 scholarship equivalencies per gender (16*21,000)= 336,000
Salaries
Head Coach= 60,000
Assistant Coach= 45,000
Graduate Assistant Coach= 5,000
Graduate Assistant Coach= 5,000 (tuition waiver came out of athletic department budget, not track budget)
Total Salaries=115,000
Benefits did not come out of track budget, but generally speaking benefits can be calculated as 50% of salary.
That leaves approximately 49,000 for the operating budget. This is the budget to take people to meets, purchase uniforms, buy food at meets, pay entry fee's, bus drivers, hotels, etc.
Any money beyond that, we either had to fund raise, of which the school took 5%, or we got $3,000 additional dollars into scholarships or operating budget for each person over 100 on the roster. Losing 5,000 per each person below 100.
Maybe not every AD breaks it down for Head Coaches like that, and maybe not every Head Coach shares that with Assistant/GA's, but that was the situation at one successful D2 state school.
State D2 School wrote:
outsider69 wrote:
How much "net revenue" actually goes to the team compared to how much money is brought in? I need numbers.
Based on the math of what we had to work with at one of the schools I was employed at, compared to roster size, approximately $5,000 (out of 21,000 in-state tuition/fees, room and board) per student-athlete on the roster. So 100 student athletes meant 500,000 for salaries, operating budget, scholarships etc.
500,000 sounds like a lot of money, right? Well, lets see.
8 scholarship equivalencies per gender (16*21,000)= 336,000
Salaries
Head Coach= 60,000
Assistant Coach= 45,000
Graduate Assistant Coach= 5,000
Graduate Assistant Coach= 5,000 (tuition waiver came out of athletic department budget, not track budget)
Total Salaries=115,000
Benefits did not come out of track budget, but generally speaking benefits can be calculated as 50% of salary.
That leaves approximately 49,000 for the operating budget. This is the budget to take people to meets, purchase uniforms, buy food at meets, pay entry fee's, bus drivers, hotels, etc.
Any money beyond that, we either had to fund raise, of which the school took 5%, or we got $3,000 additional dollars into scholarships or operating budget for each person over 100 on the roster. Losing 5,000 per each person below 100.
Maybe not every AD breaks it down for Head Coaches like that, and maybe not every Head Coach shares that with Assistant/GA's, but that was the situation at one successful D2 state school.
I'm so glad you posted.
I know 3 candidates with better performance the last 5 seasons that her. She checks off a lot of boxes but doesn't have the resume to back up the hiring. If They had hired a woman to be the distance coach the throws coach would be a male.
At first I felt the same, but looking at her resume she has a lot of connections to the program. She worked with Throws Coach at Madison who is a former SIUE head coach. He was also the head coach at SIUE when the new head coach was an athlete at SIUE. She is also from the area and her sister was on the team at the same time as the current head coach. I think it is more of a "know the right people" hire vs a "forced female" position. She has too many connections to the school and staff to not be a front runner. It would have taken someone prominent to take her off the top of the list, and no-one with an extensive resume is applying for 35k.
To be clear I don't think she is a bad coach, and she will probably do a good job. Being from the area and having success as an athlete in Division 1 will be very helpful with recruiting local athletes. She has also done a good job the last few years as a coach. Nothing spectacular by any means but she has done well enough to earn a full time coaching position.
The placing of the female in throws shows he will be more concerned with the distance group. He wants success there. If he wanted success in the throws he would have gone with a more qualified male and a female distance coach. She did nothing at Appalachian state. And like another posted said I know of Atleast 3 much more accomplished that applied. But that is the nature of the beast.
Per Arizona Track’s Twitter account, Tatijana Jacobson is the new jumps/multi events coach https://twitter.com/arizonatrack/status/1293264368524652545?s=21
BenDrankin wrote:
To go back to what 15_50 origins posted, that they weren’t hiring throws coaches at a couple of the schools, because the OP erroneously insinuated that they weren’t paid positions to be filled. Didn’t make sense in their post. Now, if 15_50 would of stated that the programs were going in a different direction and not bringing in throws coaches, that would make more sense.
There are programs that do have paid XC coaches, that also coach Distance on the track side, as well as a HC and 2 other assistants. Granted, the XC coach probably works with both genders, so that wouldn’t count for one of the genders, but a separate one. But I digress....
Where the jobs?
I'm sorry I wasn't more clear with my first post. I was just trying to make a quick response. I did follow up with a post clarifying it but you seemed more focused on the issue of allowed number of paid coaches so perhaps you didn't see that follow up post.
When a school only has 3 paid positions some event coaches simply can't be paid and what I meant was perhaps they switch up which event coach they wanted to pay. Hope that clears up my original post.
Y’all still don’t get it... scholarships are not a cost for the college, the athletic dept obviously has to pay that but that means it is $336,000 that go to the college (and generally speaking adding a kid is a zero cost to the college since they are just one person sitting in a class that would already be happening but in the case of a scholarship athlete the athletic dept is just moving money from their account to the college account).
I will definitely say that at a state school the impacts of roster additions are less impactful than an expensive private school. But they are still a positive addition. Even if it is a school of 10,000 having 100 kids on a team is 1% of the college tuition (And likely more than 1%of room and board which is a money maker for many schools) not to mention the extra benefit of 100 more kids on campus (who would go someplace else) spending money on food, random supplies, books, and other incidentals on campus and in a smaller community that is 100 more people spending money in a college town that wouldn’t even exist if the college was not there.
15_50 wrote:
I'm sorry I wasn't more clear with my first post. I was just trying to make a quick response. I did follow up with a post clarifying it but you seemed more focused on the issue of allowed number of paid coaches so perhaps you didn't see that follow up post.
When a school only has 3 paid positions some event coaches simply can't be paid and what I meant was perhaps they switch up which event coach they wanted to pay. Hope that clears up my original post.
All good, I wasn’t very clear in my original post as well (just woke up. I really need to stop posting after waking up ?). Hopefully someone got something out of our posts ??♂️
Barrett to weber state
siwho wrote:
The placing of the female in throws shows he will be more concerned with the distance group. He wants success there. If he wanted success in the throws he would have gone with a more qualified male and a female distance coach. She did nothing at Appalachian state. And like another posted said I know of Atleast 3 much more accomplished that applied. But that is the nature of the beast.
More accomplished doesn't mean they're a better coach. Success is frequently not tied to coaching ability. A coach that puts 18 scholarships into XC will surely have accomplishments but it doesn't mean they're any good. A coach that has no facilities and 3 scholarships for the whole team won't likely have many accolades but may be an oustanding coach. Each university has it's own niche, it's own strengths and weaknesses. The best candidate is usually not who is most successful on paper, it's who best fits the niche of the University or the current needs of the program. Once people understand this they might not be so offended and belittling of the hires.
I would definitely say coaches with bet the r coaching abilities were present. What at app state stands out?
You're forgetting that having those extra students also means extra staffing needed (teaching, academic tutors/support staff, admins). It's not like those 100 students (or 300+ students when you consider multiple sports) or just spread out over 100 classes separate classes. So extra classes means higher teacher pay.
If they're earning scholarships, they're also taking up a bed/meal plan from a full paying individual (so basically it's a revenue loss). If that student moves off campus, you're paying out cash to spend on their rent/utilities/food.
Has been 3 weeks. Any news from Benedictine now that their head coach is at a different school? Can't find a job posted anywhere and nothing on their website about a new head coach.
Any news on UPENN men’s sprints, hurdles and jumps?
Entry Level Part Time/Graduate Assistant Position Available at D2 Washburn University. Assisting with Distance and Mid-Distance athletes, as well as other duties as assigned by the head coach.
To apply for the position, send resume, cover letter, and references to:
Dartmouth Director/Head XC Coach
Looks like they are not promoting from within. Who is front runner? Will they clean house?
Maybe a formality, but who knows?