BRIGID KOSGEI WTF 2:14:04

Nike

vaporfly/or whatever upgrade she wore

Rosa

Training in Kenya

Congratulations!

Salwa almost lost her mind, screaming like Oprah just gave her a Benz and rolling around in a pool of her own sweat because she didn't quite come within half a second of a sprint record and everybody thinks that that pooled sweat is 50% water, 50% epo. You all have a preconceived position on all fast times and simply interpret any and all behavior as indicative of your belief/agenda.

Alll wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

A 25 year old runner who has improved over 30 minutes in 4 years, has a doping coach, and comes from a country where at least one runner is busted every week - including the same week she sets her record. (As does a near 40-year old Kenyan male record breaker.) This is the same spectacle as watching the Eastern Bloc athletes setting absurd records in the 70's and 80's, and the Chinese runners in the 90's. It will likely be revealed as just as corrupt.

What coach does she have? I think it's her husband and he doesn't have any other athletes

Agent. Coach - probably, yes.

Here's a little factoid: Bill Rodgers has 60 marathon starts. In only 24 of them did he run faster than Kosgei did today. As the internet meme says: let that sink in.

My prediction? She'll be busted before the Olympics

Lots of dudes are getting chicked in ultra-running. I think it's fair to assume that the men and women are of relatively equal caliber and equal propensity to dope or not in that venue. It makes sense that bordeline elite dudes will get chicked in road marathons. That said, I think this is a doper girl.

When every superior performance today immediately gives rise to a chorus of doping accusations from within the running community that is a sport that has lost the battle. Doping has won - in every sense - because the best performances are no longer trusted to be clean. This is a sport without credibility.

I think the "belief" was her association with a coach that had an athlete test positive and improving her pb in the 400 by ALMOST A SECOND.

Armstronglivs wrote:

When every superior performance today immediately gives rise to a chorus of doping accusations from within the running community that is a sport that has lost the battle. Doping has won - in every sense - because the best performances are no longer trusted to be clean. This is a sport without credibility.

+1

Link wrote:

Here's a little factoid: Bill Rodgers has 60 marathon starts. In only 24 of them did he run faster than Kosgei did today. As the internet meme says: let that sink in.

My prediction? She'll be busted before the Olympics

Bill Rodgers, 60 Marathon starts. That means nothing. I know one of those 60 Marathon starts resulted in a Marathon over 4 hours. Another start, Rodgers was awful at 1976 Olympic Marathon, Montreal. Rodgers dropped out of some Marathons. U.S. does not produce good Marathoners. U.S. men, regardless of racial heritage used to earn Olympic medals in 100m dash from 1932 to 1960. U.S. athletes are banging their heads against a brick wall attempting to be elite Marathoners. U.S. is a 100m to 800m nation regardless of racial heritage.

No agenda- just informed opinions wrote:

MurderDub wrote:

Salwa almost lost her mind, screaming like Oprah just gave her a Benz and rolling around in a pool of her own sweat because she didn't quite come within half a second of a sprint record and everybody thinks that that pooled sweat is 50% water, 50% epo. You all have a preconceived position on all fast times and simply interpret any and all behavior as indicative of your belief/agenda.

I think the "belief" was her association with a coach that had an athlete test positive and improving her pb in the 400 by ALMOST A SECOND.

Of course she very well may be doping. And of course some of the opinions stated here are well informed. That doesn't mean that there are massive contradictions in the way athletes are judged. For example: Salwa had a dirty coach and her 400 time fell like a rock. But I've seen athletes accused of doping on here because they ran consistently excellent times for many years. MJ, for example. I've seen athletes trained by coaches without the slightest question of integrity be accused of doping because their coach is a nobody, or because he must be three steps ahead of WADA. It doesn't matter what the athlete's background or actions are.

more statistical noise wrote:

Link wrote:

Here's a little factoid: Bill Rodgers has 60 marathon starts. In only 24 of them did he run faster than Kosgei did today. As the internet meme says: let that sink in.

My prediction? She'll be busted before the Olympics

Bill Rodgers, 60 Marathon starts. That means nothing. I know one of those 60 Marathon starts resulted in a Marathon over 4 hours. Another start, Rodgers was awful at 1976 Olympic Marathon, Montreal. Rodgers dropped out of some Marathons. U.S. does not produce good Marathoners. U.S. men, regardless of racial heritage used to earn Olympic medals in 100m dash from 1932 to 1960. U.S. athletes are banging their heads against a brick wall attempting to be elite Marathoners. U.S. is a 100m to 800m nation regardless of racial heritage.

Gee - that bad. How did Shorter win any races? Indeed, why have we even heard of him? He's not a 100-800 runner.

Armstronglivs wrote:

more statistical noise wrote:

Bill Rodgers, 60 Marathon starts. That means nothing. I know one of those 60 Marathon starts resulted in a Marathon over 4 hours. Another start, Rodgers was awful at 1976 Olympic Marathon, Montreal. Rodgers dropped out of some Marathons. U.S. does not produce good Marathoners. U.S. men, regardless of racial heritage used to earn Olympic medals in 100m dash from 1932 to 1960. U.S. athletes are banging their heads against a brick wall attempting to be elite Marathoners. U.S. is a 100m to 800m nation regardless of racial heritage.

Gee - that bad. How did Shorter win any races? Indeed, why have we even heard of him? He's not a 100-800 runner.

Frank Shorter: When he used to own a running store, I bought gear from him. I have nothing against him. Why are you bringing up a 2:10 Marathoner? Shorter does not convince me the U.S. is other than a 100m to 800m nation. Geez that was 47 years ago!

more statistical noise wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Gee - that bad. How did Shorter win any races? Indeed, why have we even heard of him? He's not a 100-800 runner.

Frank Shorter: When he used to own a running store, I bought gear from him. I have nothing against him. Why are you bringing up a 2:10 Marathoner? Shorter does not convince me the U.S. is other than a 100m to 800m nation. Geez that was 47 years ago!

And nobody was any good 47 years ago. Even the best in the world.

I mean, what? My brain is not going to be able to process this for at least a couple weeks. This is orders of magnitude more shocking than Bekele's Berlin performance. This record was considered the strongest in distance running by many, and she just obliterated it.

Also, Kosgei's quads are f'ing jacked. Just sayin...

bcv wrote:

GBnothingWithoutFarah?? wrote:

NOOOO! NO! NO'.... Brigid Kosgei broke Mary Keitany's record......'Suspected' dopist Paula Radcliffe's record had a very big asterisk since she used men. What an insult.... That ' woman only' record garbage should end and be buried with 'suspected' dopist Radcliffe. LET'S GO KENYA .......

Incorrect. Women-only record isn't garbage. It is an advantage to have men pacing, possibly the entire run. Keitany still holds that record. Kosgei now has the mixed-gender record.

Women’s only record is garbage. They wanted equality, yet they want to exclude men. Just make everybody run at the same time. There should be only one world record, not two.

Oh Please wrote:

The difference between 2:01:39 and 2:14:04 is 10.2%. I think that is in line with most major WR between men and women. The 2:15:25 was starting to look weak comparatively, at 11.3% difference.

But we all know that all top results are "aided."

Yet, the difference between men and women’s BQ time is an eternity in running!

NativeSon wrote:

oH,

Brigid will blow that women only record into smitheens. Just wait for the next two years.

That is like a meal of hot samosas, chapatis and tea.

Just wait!

I think she will. I think she can run sub 2:16 in a women-only race, which would be a similar improvement to the WR as this one.

Martymart wrote:

Women’s only record is garbage. They wanted equality, yet they want to exclude men. Just make everybody run at the same time. There should be only one world record, not two.

That makes no sense. You really think men pacing women to the finish line and handing them drinks along the way doesn't provide any advantage? It makes perfect sense for there to be two world records for women.

And for men:-

Men's World Record = 1:59:40

Men-Only World Record = 2:01:39

For the purposes of non sexism, you should be allowed to be paced by male athletes the entire distance for the World Record in both sexes.

T K Maxx wrote:

Men's World Record = 1:59:40

False.