My black man got tht bread n u foos cant respec it becuz u a foo finna keep gettin wooped by da black cuz u weak a$$ n i aint talkin nuttin bt da truth n u no it
My black man got tht bread n u foos cant respec it becuz u a foo finna keep gettin wooped by da black cuz u weak a$$ n i aint talkin nuttin bt da truth n u no it
As a basketball player-turned runner, I promise you that's a very bad analogy.
My bad. I'm just trolling anyway.
ewrwetw wrote:
impressdd wrote:
https://youtu.be/RX-FWSEmh8Y0/10
There was no fan behind Eliud.
I did wonder if the AC in the track created a wind aided 1500, 5k, 10k.
Are pacers considered the same way? AC blown in the track in a way to create a tail wind?
ewrwetw wrote:
impressdd wrote:
https://youtu.be/RX-FWSEmh8Y0/10
There was no fan behind Eliud.
There will be next time. 1:58 project.
I think it's hard to argue that it's NOT a sub 2 hour marathon. After all, he completed the standard marathon distance in less than two hours. But at the same time, I still don't think it's the 2 hour marathon people have been talking about for years. When people talked about a two hour marathon, I think it was implied that it would be under the same conditions that marathons have always been run under. Big city race, other competitors, right angles, occasional hills to conquer, pacers that drop out eventually and leave the runners on their own, shoes that are similar to the light weight racers that have always been worn, etc.
When you change all those factors, it makes it impossible to compare this performance to previous performances...We can't tell if we've taken a step forward in marathoning or not. We can only know that he covered the distance faster than anyone before. Was there an improvement in training, mental toughness, nutrition etc. that would represent a real leap forward in the sport? Or did he run faster because they changed one of the parameters that give the sport some boundaries? We just don't know.
You might not agree that these are important points, or you may think they're obvious, but I think that may help describe why some people aren't overly thrilled with the breakthrough.
Mr. Reasonable here again wrote:
A basketball player could go to an empty gym with his coach and sink 50 free throws in a row. It's an amazing accomplishment. But it has nothing to do with a competitive basketball game. It doesn't mean if there are ten seconds left, and his team is down by one point, that he's going to sink his two free throws. What he did in the gym is pretty mid-blowing, but it's still not the same thing as making the free throws under the pressure of a game. It's a stunt. Kipchoge's performance was mind-blowing, but ultimately it was a stunt. A stunt that will sell a lot of Nike shoes..
They are not even close to the same thing. Whether you do it in a race or in a controlled setting, he is the only man alive who has demonstrated he has the talent to run 4:34 26 times in a row without stopping. Breaking 2 was never about competitiveness or winning, it was about proving it could be done. Its the most incredible feat in distance running since 1954. Period.
Also, you're really going to compare Kipchoge, the most consistent marathoner ofall time, to a basketball player who chokes under pressure? Kipchoge is literally the only marathoner I can name who never chokes under pressure. 2 Olympic golds, like a dozen major wins, and a WR. I think hes proven he can sink the free throws in the game.
Mr. Reasonable here again wrote:
It's simply a time trial. I guess he won the world's two-hour time trial.
But think of it like this: A basketball player could go to an empty gym with his coach and sink 50 free throws in a row. It's an amazing accomplishment. But it has nothing to do with a competitive basketball game. It doesn't mean if there are ten seconds left, and his team is down by one point, that he's going to sink his two free throws. What he did in the gym is pretty mid-blowing, but it's still not the same thing as making the free throws under the pressure of a game. It's a stunt. Kipchoge's performance was mind-blowing, but ultimately it was a stunt. A stunt that will sell a lot of Nike shoes.
Yeah I said it. Bring on the haters.
There are already people who can make thousands of free throws in a row, and you’re only going up to 50?
Maybe I'm missing something, but wasn't the premise laid out in the post already universally understood? I thought there would be a novel analysis or something.
Sorry to disappoint.
It’s a world BEST not a record
One would have to view Ryan Hall as a 2:04 marathoner at Boston 2011 to view this as breaking 2
I view Hall as a 2:06 marathoner so therefore I view Kipchoge as 2:01 marathoner.
The only positive I see from this is that Kipchoge and Bekele will now legitimately attempt to break 2.
Making 50 free throws in a row in an empty gym isn't an astronomical feat of human training on endurance. I could do that after a month of consistent training.
Ten bucks says you can't do it. Nah, make it $20, I'm feeling pretttttty confident. Stick to hobby jogging.
ewrwetw wrote:
impressdd wrote:
https://youtu.be/RX-FWSEmh8Y0/10
There was no fan behind Eliud.
More like 10/10. Some Trumpers only care about rules they don't like.
Everyone knew this would not be an official record. That has been made clear from the start. Why do all you posters think you’re so smart for understating this event? This is not a hot take!
in 1969 neil armstrong...
gimme a break
https://twitter.com/INEOS159/status/1182933612162945024
it's cool but not that cool
By your logic, Webb didn’t run s sub 3:47 mile because it was a time trial and there was no pressure to win.
There are reasons the sub 2 was not a record but not any of your reasons.
Paul Bunyan wrote:
But at the same time, I still don't think it's the 2 hour marathon people have been talking about for years. When people talked about a two hour marathon, I think it was implied that it would be under the same conditions that marathons have always been run under. Big city race, other competitors, right angles, occasional hills to conquer, pacers that drop out eventually and leave the runners on their own, shoes that are similar to the light weight racers that have always been worn, etc.
Except none of the things you listed is how "marathons have always been run".
We can look at organized pacers, which didn't exist 20 years ago.
Or racing shoes from 50 years ago.
The only real thing that has stood the test of time is the distance (26.2 miles). Everything else has been changed or added along the way. So no, I don't think the current standard of "how a marathon" is run is any more pure than it was 5 or 75 years ago.
Nike has been very upfront about this from the beginning: If you can set as many variables to almost ideal standards, can a human break 2 hours? They've obviously answered that question. Now we'll just have to wait and see how long it takes someone to do it in a "legitimate" race.
Disappointed that the fan did not drive behind him at 10 m/s
Nobody will ever care what he did here.
People will care about who is winning world major marathons including the Olympic marathon. People will care when the world record gets broken. They will care when national records are broken. They will compare PBs between runners in legitimate marathon competitions (and this time will not even be part of the conversation). Nobody will ever really care about this. It will be seen as a stunt whenever it is remembered at all. And it won't be remembered by very many for very long.
But it's still pretty fast.