Nick Willies throws shade at Sifan Hassan on twitter

Renato Canova is part of the problem in Kenya. He thinks he is above everyone and knows all.

“He who establishes his argument by noise and command, shows that his reason is weak.”

Renato Canova you had nothing to do with Sifan Hassan's training. Please just walk away before you look worse.

Coevett wrote:

Weldon Johnson in his athletics career as a competitor, and a commentator, has noticed that East Africans achieve way beyond their numbers would predict. He concludes that they have a genetic advantage and dismisses alternative explanations, such as doping, as 'not very smart'.

Presumably, when he was admitted to Yale University, he also noticed that sons of wealthy white Americans were present way beyond their numbers would predict. Presumably, he also noticed that the only black people were employed as cleaners. I wonder if he jumped to similar conclusions regarding genetic differences? I hope not.

It's sad that posts like these are allowed on this once good forum.

Renato can you see the point that Willis and others are making? How can the coach be banned and no one is questioning the athletes, who are some of the best in the world.

I think is not difficult to understand, from my previous explanation, that I gave the person following Sifan Hassan in 2011 a short program regarding 3 weeks of training...... Probably you look at everything without understanding also simple facts, because your mind is so closed that never can change ideas, also when there is the total evidence.

Try to grow, and learn to understand what people write.

Coevett wrote:

BTW, hardly anyone calls out El K over his racism. I get constantly stalked, harassed, slandered, and threatened and the mods do little or nothing.

Oh, you poor victim, you. Do you even read your own posts? What have I posted, on this thread for example, that would be deemed racist? I simply posited a question: who died and made Nicholas Willis the moral arbiter of the sport? And why should someone like me, who’s never been a fan, trust him especially given what I perceive to be inherent biases (which he’s entitled) that he, like most, has? You seem to be in awe of this guy and think he’s of unimpeachable character. Well, I don’t. And nothing I’ve seen or heard from him makes me believe that I should.

Just because someone publicly calls out dopers, doesn’t mean they themselves can be trusted. A good example is the gratuitously hyper-verbal Paula Radcliffe who, this past week, has shredded the last specks of faith the public had in her with her shameful defence of Alberto Salazar.

For being banned, there are two options only : or it's possible to find in the urine some illegal substance, or the evidence of Biological Passport can clearly show values that can depend on the assumptions of illegal substance only.

Guilty for association is something that doesn't exist for any lawyer, also if can raise suspicions in average persons.

Till 1985, auto-transfusions were legal, and in Italy there was a program directly organized by the Olympic Committee for using it in all the disciplines of endurance (including biking and swimming). So, nothing illegal, at that time.

However, somebody decided to follow the program, somebody else refused. Among the athletes refusing, we had young runners like Francesco Panetta (whoin 1987 won WCh in steeple), Stefano Mei (who in 1986 won European Ch in 10000m) and Gelindo Bordin (who won Olympic marathon in 1988).

So, also in the presence of an official and organized program, everybody had the personal freedom to chose, and in some case athletes refusing (like Panetta) had the same coach of athletes accepting.

At the end, is the will of every athlete who decides if they want to follow some "medical strategy" or not, and this doesn't fully depends on the proposals of the coach.

We can question if athletes training in groups where there is some suspicious teammate (athlete, coach, physio, doctor...) have to be tested more, this is a WADA problem, but personally I never connect automatically the behavior of some athlete with doping problems of other people in the same group.

laughingstock wrote:

Coevett wrote:

I was almost secretly quite pleased to see El K back for these Championships, but I'd forgotten what a hardcore racist he was, and a generally all-round piece of turd as a human being!

You moan about people making the "racist" argument that East Africans are genetically superior, but all you do is make the same argument in favor of white Europeans. You're easily one of the dumbest people on this site, right behind pseudointellectual Armstronglivs.

So who's in front of me? I demand to know.

Subway Surfers wrote:

Renato can you see the point that Willis and others are making? How can the coach be banned and no one is questioning the athletes, who are some of the best in the world.

Willies "point" was to accuse some one else of being a cheat without knowing if she is a cheat. It's called a witch hunt.

Even Kara Goucher the original WHISTLEBLOWER stated that she doesnt think everyone in NOP is cheating. But Nick seems to know differently despite stating himself that he actually knows nothing. What he said was stupid. He should delete his tweet and apologize for being a douche.

Renato Canova wrote:

For being banned, there are two options only : or it's possible to find in the urine some illegal substance, or the evidence of Biological Passport can clearly show values that can depend on the assumptions of illegal substance only.

There's more than two options for being banned:

Musaeb Balla, who was arrested at the Sabadell doping camp with Aden, was recently handed at 4-year doping ban for possessing a box of EPO found in his suitcase. 4 years is just the same and just as good as a doping positive or ABP infraction:

Albert Rop was just provisionally suspended for "Whereabouts Failures." And Kendagor was provisionally suspended for "Evading, Refusing or Failing to Submit to Sample Collection."

Kendagor could face a 4-year ban which is just the same and just as good as a doping positive/ABP infraction.

Dril wrote:

Subway Surfers wrote:

Renato can you see the point that Willis and others are making? How can the coach be banned and no one is questioning the athletes, who are some of the best in the world.

Willies "point" was to accuse some one else of being a cheat without knowing if she is a cheat. It's called a witch hunt.

Even Kara Goucher the original WHISTLEBLOWER stated that she doesnt think everyone in NOP is cheating. But Nick seems to know differently despite stating himself that he actually knows nothing. What he said was stupid. He should delete his tweet and apologize for being a douche.

So, if I understand your logic correctly - a prominent, iconic, world-renowned coach gets a big 4-year ban for "doping violations" and no one is suppose to be questioning any of his athletes?

More than two options to get a doper wrote:

Musaeb Balla, who was arrested at the Sabadell doping camp with Aden, was recently handed at 4-year doping ban for possessing a box of EPO found in his suitcase. 4 years is just the same and just as good as a doping positive or ABP infraction:

Maybe he was actually going to deliver the EPO to a local hospital renal unit to help alleviate kidney-failure patients' suffering. It could have been just an unfortunate misunderstanding.

You just pulled that el Guerrouj, 1:43 800m man statement out of your ass without facts. Coach, a solid 400m as a youth would have given you foundation for your statement regarding el Guerrouj and 1:43 800m. If he were a 1:43 man, el Guerrouj would have raced 800m & 1500m at a high level as opposed to racing 1500m & 5000m.

Furthermore, el Guerrouj was not a confident man in slow 1500m races. If el Guerrouj felt he had a 1:43 in him, el Guerrouj would have been perfectly happy and highly confident in 1500m races passing 1200m 3 minutes or slower. Look how el Guerrouj felt he had to take the lead with 700m or 800m to go in Olympic or W.C. 1500m races. That is not what 1:43 800m men feel they need to do. You are going to state T.C. lead wire to wire in 2019 W.C. 1500m. T.C. knew he did not want to pass 1200m in three minutes with several strong 800m men in race.

Dodgy Bio PP wrote:

More than two options to get a doper wrote:

Musaeb Balla, who was arrested at the Sabadell doping camp with Aden, was recently handed at 4-year doping ban for possessing a box of EPO found in his suitcase. 4 years is just the same and just as good as a doping positive or ABP infraction:

Maybe he was actually going to deliver the EPO to a local hospital renal unit to help alleviate kidney-failure patients' suffering. It could have been just an unfortunate misunderstanding.

By George...I think you're onto something there. Just because an elite runner who trains under a shady coach and is caught in possession of EPO at a doping training camp doesn't in anyway, shape or form imply that he was going to use it for himself. ?

Alan Webb had 1'43"84 and was completely unable to have a strong finish. Bernard Lagat had 1'46" and was almost unbeatable in the final sprint. Again you showed your ignorance about the qualities (included the biomechanical) athletes need for having a strong finish. And many specialists of 1500m never ran 800m when in shape, in very fast races.

It's a fact that the official PB of El Guerrouj in 800m is 1'47"18 when was 21 and able running 1500m in 3'31"16, and nobody needs to be Einstein for understanding that, when ran 3'26"00, his ability in 800m could be very much better (he closed the last 800m when winning WCh in 1'46"7).

Another example is Faith Kipyegon : her last 800m winning Olympics in Rio were 1'57", while her official PB was 1'58"02.

And if an athlete can run 1'43" without winning Olympics, and 12'52" winning Olympics, there is no reason because can't chose to run the longer distances….. Your way of thinking is really absurd !

Renato, do you think EL G was able to run 3.26 without EPO or HGH, the PEDs that many many marrocan athletes have tested positive for in the past 20 years, including his training partner (and world champs silver medalist) Kaouch. If not, you cannot use EL G in your arguments. That is the problem with drawing on past performance data, as it is so skewed by doping athletes who have never been caught. If you think El G was clean, what are your reasons for this view?

You're a professional victim and worst of all a liar. You've stated several times that you think Africans can't run under 3:35 clean, yet you call Nick Willis (who, at 3:29 is way ahead of the supposed cutoff for clean Africans) the clean world record holder. In so doing you admit you think white Europeans are superior. If Weldon's view is racist, so is yours.

Nick Willis does not claim to be the moral arbiter of the sport and neither does anyone else say that about him. He is a professional athlete who has spoken out against doping in his sport. It would be surprising if someone in his position didn't have a view on that. His comments about Hassan are based on the fact that her coach has been busted for doping violations. It would be wilfully naive to suggest there could be no connection between these events after we have seen what the doping Chinese coach Ma did for his athletes in the '90's and of course the East German coaches before that era. Cheater coaches must inevitably give rise to questions about their athletes.

As for your comments about Willis's character, what has he done that gives rise to legitimate question about the genuiness of his performances as an athlete? (And, please, don't refer to his sharing the same recreational pursuit as 98% of the male posters on this board.)

You suggest that he has a bias, but which countries have most of the high-profile dopers in his events come from while he has been competing? It's difficult to be even-handed when the infractions are top-heavy from some countries more than others.

It's not just question of East African. You all 40 years of track and Fields statistics to enlighten you. Jessy Owens is the first "African" that played for another country in a very unfavorable conditions.

You can accuse 10 or 20 runners for doping, but what do you think about all this African dominance? All male world records from 800m to Marathon are owned by Africans.

The 25 best all times performances in Marathon were made by East African runners.

Now to your question, there no big difference genetic between all humans in earth. Bu the factor that play is the morphology.

East African and Nord West Africans are morphologically adapted to middle and long distances.

West Africans (Nigeria, Ghana, Ivory Coast, Senegal ... etc) are morphologically more adapted to sprint.

Egyptians are more adapted to Discus throw and Hammer throw etc.