All-time best high-school XC runner from each state

Stay in your lane bro. This is HS only. Reinhart lost one race his entire HS career, his 1st. Since Jim and Greg each have 3 titles; lets tie break this with their HS efforts in the spring. Reinhart set state records in 880, mile, 2 mile and SM. Only one of those 4 have been surpassed since 1973 (3200 adjusted).

"While a great SD runner"...Dude set the gold standard well over 45 years ago in SD.

keino wrote:

Stay in your lane bro. This is HS only. Reinhart lost one race his entire HS career, his 1st. Since Jim and Greg each have 3 titles; lets tie break this with their HS efforts in the spring. Reinhart set state records in 880, mile, 2 mile and SM. Only one of those 4 have been surpassed since 1973 (3200 adjusted).

"While a great SD runner"...Dude set the gold standard well over 45 years ago in SD.

Lol, ok “bro”, this had zero to do with Track. And most of Jim’s records that still stand haven't been run in 40yrs....

But, the Kinney runner up clearly defines the better High School XC runner. If overall HS, then Jim gets the nod. But I will say Greg’s HS 3200 time converts better than Jim’s 2mi. Below that, Jim was clearly a faster guy. This was about XC, and my comments were directed at that, but post HS, Greg developed into a player on the National and World stage. Different times, different people.

Seyta wrote:

The champ wrote:

Verzbicas isn't in Virgin's class.

As far as HS is concerned, Verzbicas was beyond Virgin.

Virgin has the IL State Record (though realistically, it should belong to Chris Derrick, given that the course was lengthened since Virgin had run it). For those questioning it, apparently in 2003, the course was lengthened from 2.96 to 3.0 miles:

http://archive.dyestat.com/3state/r4mw/6xc/IL-StateMeet/Index.html

Verzbicas on the other hand, won the state meet twice, won Footlocker twice, and is the only runner to win Footlocker and NXN in the same year. He was also undefeated in all of high school cross country.

Actually, the Detweiller course still isn't a full 3 miles. I wish I had a link to the full "Detweiller Report" in the Dyestat archives (I used to a few months ago, but no longer have access to it unfortunately), but they found that the "new course" is no longer than the old course (it's actually about a meter shorter).

One of the former Dyestat guys now runs the Illinois milesplit site and re-posted their findings last year on the 10th anniversary of the report.

In short:

4788.88 meters (2.9758 miles) for the 2005-2007 course (13:52 Chris Derrick 2007)

4809.21 meters (2.9883 miles) for the 2003-2004 course

4789.27 meters (2.9759 miles) for the -2002 course (13:50.6 Craig Virgin 1972)

The only way it was measured to be "a full 3 miles" is if you use the old NFHS rule of measuring the middle of the path, rather than the shortest route (USATF, and now NFHS). However, the old course was also "a full 3 miles" using that method.

The tie breaker with 3 wins between each in HS XC can only flip over to each respective track efforts available. They are equal in the fall. Nike or Kinney or what ever was available back then (there was nothing back then). You're bringing a knife to a gun fight comparing Reinhard to any SD mid distance runner. This thread has ZERO to do with post HS efforts.

Greg's best spring efforts fall well short of what Jim produced.