Is 100mpw in singles a bit too much?

Pretty sure lydiards guys all did doubles.

Don't get stuck on what Lydiard's guys did at a moment in time. His views on training morphed throughout his life.

Double!

No they did 100mpw in singles but then did a bit more mileage as a secondary run.

Does this seem like a good way to double?

M: 10miles

Tu: 10am, 10pm

W: 12

Th: 10am, 10pm

F: 10

Sa: 18

S: 10

100mpw man wrote:

Does this seem like a good way to double?

M: 10miles

Tu: 10am, 10pm

W: 12

Th: 10am, 10pm

F: 10

Sa: 18

S: 10

You should take a rest day. Something like 5 miles or less. Bring up on the long run to 20-22 miles.

Mn - 11

Tu - 11 & 5

Wd - 15

Th - 11

Fr - 11 & 5

Sa - 20

Su - 11

100mpw man wrote:

No they did 100mpw in singles but then did a bit more mileage as a secondary run.

Mostly yes. When Snell got to 100 it was usually by doubling and counting the total for both runs.

Sometime after 1970 Arthur switched from telling people to run 100 miles a week to having them run for time, around 10 hours a week total for their main sessions of running at your "best aerobic speed". He still recommended slower, "supplementary" runs. He made the switch because his ideas were catching on with people who were much slower than his original runners were and were needing much more time to get to 100 mile weeks, 22 mile runs, etc.

So he'd tell you to run for around ten hours in your main runs and get in easier second runs as much as possible. The thing about running at your best aerobic speed is that as time goes on you'll get fitter, that speed will likely get faster, and you will cover more distance.

Just a number, bro.

Ask Adam Goucher how that worked out for him. Underachieved as he was injured for most of his career.

100mpw man wrote:

Does this seem like a good way to double?

M: 10miles

Tu: 10am, 10pm

W: 12

Th: 10am, 10pm

F: 10

Sa: 18

S: 10

I think the volume is too high on your evening doubles, it'll make you more tired the next day than you need to be be.

Here's my "ideal" week of marathon training with 2 workouts:

M: 10-16 (workout) + 5 (recovery)

Tu: 12-16 (medium long)

W: 10

Th: 10-16 (workout) + 5 (recovery)

Fri: 10

Sa: 20-24 (long + workout)

Su: 10

Realistically every week is different because of life. The key thing is that I don't like to double the day before my long run or workouts. An easy 10 miler in the morning gives me plenty of time to recover.

Track Fan 1979 wrote:

Ask Adam Goucher how that worked out for him. Underachieved as he was injured for most of his career.

Who is Adam Goucher?

No, as long as you are recovering. But I would increase your longrun to at least 20-22

Don't know why people are recommending upping the long run to 20-22. He's training for track, not a marathon. A 2-hour run is plenty.

It sounds like your trying to do something similar to what I did in high school trying to make the jump. I was at ~45 miles a week, then the next season I jumped my base phase to 80, next season 90, and finally 100 after that. If you're lower than 80, don't jump all the way to 100 in one training cycle.

I found the following schedule was easiest for me:

M: 10+6

T: 10+6

W: 14

R:10+6

F:10+6

S:18

S: 4-6

The real easy day on Sunday helped a lot, and I didn't have enough training years at mileage to make a longer midweek or long run very doable. This took me 11.5-12 hours a week, 13 is definitely pushing it.

Ultimately the jump really helped me and is the reason I ended up being able to run D1. It was also the reason I spent most of college injured because I prioritized miles over lifting and stretching so much that my form slowly deteriorated.

Don't focus on being a runner so much you forget to be an athlete.

Mon 8 and 4-6

Tues 12-14 and 4-6

Wed 8 and 4-6

Thurs 12-14 and 4-6

Fri 8 and 4-6

Sat 20

Sun 4 recovery day

Something like this.

` wrote:

Don't know why people are recommending upping the long run to 20-22. He's training for track, not a marathon. A 2-hour run is plenty.

90 minutes is enough.

100mpw man wrote:

I am trying to run 100mpw in singles for my base building phase. Is that a bit too much? I know thats what arthur lydiard advocated. Also I think it will take me just a bit more than 13hrs a week of running to do this. Where as it took arthur's guys around 10hrs of running. Should I just stick to 10hrs of running total or go for the 100mpw? I really want to have a breakthrough year next track season.

Because of work schedule I had to run only once a day, I didn't do exactly 100 mpw, but close so it is doable.

Sa-15, Su-22, M-10, Tu-12, W-15 ,Th-10, Fr-12