Bianca is the next Serena, ...........just as arrogant too.

checker of reality wrote:

Spotters wrote:

There are a few people here, who for some reason can not acknowledge that Serena for most of her career has been exceeding obnoxious and disrespectful to opponents. Many seem to be irritated at you for bringing up what should be obvious to most.

And now some quickly bring up the racist angle. One has to wonder if those afraid to criticize Serena for behavior are too overly fearful of being considered racist themselves.

Serena's behavior has often been obnoxious. It doesn't take a genius to see it. Really now.

Nope. Everyone except the Aussie troll recognizes that but doesn't let it make them think she's not the GOAT.

He's desperately trying to make those character faults somehow morph her into a crappy player.

In fairness, on this thread I never saw Armstrong... post that she is a crappy player. He did posts that during the last three years she is no longer as good as she used to be and he doesn't see her winning a major again.

Certainly she is not as good as before, as far as winning another major, I think it would be hard but not impossible. If you can make finals, you have a chance to win one. But, the clock is ticking.

I also think now that she has shown vulnerabilities, the top players will not be intimidated out of their games as easily.

But I don't agree with you that everyone recognizes that she has been obnoxious. I was called a racist when I pointed it out.

checker of reality wrote:

Spotters wrote:

There are a few people here, who for some reason can not acknowledge that Serena for most of her career has been exceeding obnoxious and disrespectful to opponents. Many seem to be irritated at you for bringing up what should be obvious to most.

And now some quickly bring up the racist angle. One has to wonder if those afraid to criticize Serena for behavior are too overly fearful of being considered racist themselves.

Serena's behavior has often been obnoxious. It doesn't take a genius to see it. Really now.

Nope. Everyone except the Aussie troll recognizes that but doesn't let it make them think she's not the GOAT.

He's desperately trying to make those character faults somehow morph her into a crappy player.

This thread isn't about Williams' record as a player, but her "arrogance". That is hardly in dispute to anyone who has followed tennis and her career. That you don't know which thread you are responding to isn't surprising.

At no point did I say Williams was a "crappy player"; what I did dispute that she is the "best ever competitor in individual women's sport" - which was the subject of the other thread. I pointed out there that since she hasn't won a tournament in nearly 3 years that is an argument against her being considered better than other top sportswomen who don't have a sustained losing record at any point of their careers. Longevity doesn't make an athlete better than those with shorter careers who almost never lost. Even in her heyday Williams wasn't always dominant - for protracted periods she didn't compete regularly and often lost at tournaments and relinquished her number one ranking several times, and over a decade ago she was losing slam finals to a diminutive Belgian, who since retired from injuries. But Williams has succeeded in becoming a celebrity - and not always for her actual accomplishments.

Yeah, she's the GOAT.

All the men who are in consideration for the GOAT had the same problems

confirmed by backpedlling wrote:

Yeah, she's the GOAT.

All the men who are in consideration for the GOAT had the same problems

Nope. Herb Elliot, Olympic champion and world record holder over the mile and 1500m, never lost a race at his specialist distance in the senior ranks. That is an example of a superior athlete and competitor - regardless of gender. That you can't even spell "back-pedalling" reinforces your ignorance.

Armstronglivs wrote:

confirmed by backpedlling wrote:

Yeah, she's the GOAT.

All the men who are in consideration for the GOAT had the same problems

Nope. Herb Elliot, Olympic champion and world record holder over the mile and 1500m, never lost a race at his specialist distance in the senior ranks. That is an example of a superior athlete and competitor - regardless of gender. That you can't even spell "back-pedalling" reinforces your ignorance.

Nope. Elliott raced plenty of times after he "retired" and lost a ton of races. You don't get to choose what counts and what doesn't.

Missing a letter is no biggie. You do it plenty but your other moranic signs obliterate that as a tell.

Spotters wrote:

notrump wrote:

She was living off Serena's lack of control over her serve. There are a number of women at this level of play - all inconsistent and not physically dominant. They drift in and out of the top ten. There will be no "next Serena". For Bianca, it will be a miraculous accomplishment to get even one more major.

Guess what Bianca's all time record is against playing top ten tennis opponents. Its 8-0!. So you don't know that much about Bianca or about tennis.

Correction 11-0. (If you include former number 1 players) Bianca is the new queen.

"Top Female tennis players seem so much more arrogant than top male tennis players."

That's more a statement about you son.

Armstronglivs wrote:

confirmed by backpedlling wrote:

Yeah, she's the GOAT.

All the men who are in consideration for the GOAT had the same problems

Nope. Herb Elliot, Olympic champion and world record holder over the mile and 1500m, never lost a race at his specialist distance in the senior ranks. That is an example of a superior athlete and competitor - regardless of gender. That you can't even spell "back-pedalling" reinforces your ignorance.

If you don't think Elliot was "arrogant". that just proves what a biased observer you are.

tee tottler wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Nope. Herb Elliot, Olympic champion and world record holder over the mile and 1500m, never lost a race at his specialist distance in the senior ranks. That is an example of a superior athlete and competitor - regardless of gender. That you can't even spell "back-pedalling" reinforces your ignorance.

Nope. Elliott raced plenty of times after he "retired" and lost a ton of races. You don't get to choose what counts and what doesn't.

Missing a letter is no biggie. You do it plenty but your other moranic signs obliterate that as a tell.

So Williams has been "retired" the last few years. That explains it. But you're wrong about Elliot. He never lost a mile/1500 in his career.

@Armweak wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Nope. Herb Elliot, Olympic champion and world record holder over the mile and 1500m, never lost a race at his specialist distance in the senior ranks. That is an example of a superior athlete and competitor - regardless of gender. That you can't even spell "back-pedalling" reinforces your ignorance.

If you don't think Elliot was "arrogant". that just proves what a biased observer you are.

That you don't understand the meaning of the word says more about you. Elliot's sportsmanship - his character - has never been questioned or subject to criticism, unlike the egregious Williams.

Losing record? It's not like Williams is losing in the first round. Reaching the finals of major tournaments at the end of her career only enhances her greatness.

I dont know how arrogant Bianca is but if she wants to be great she better have a chip on her shoulders.

Armstronglivs wrote:

tee tottler wrote:

Nope. Elliott raced plenty of times after he "retired" and lost a ton of races. You don't get to choose what counts and what doesn't.

Missing a letter is no biggie. You do it plenty but your other moranic signs obliterate that as a tell.

So Williams has been "retired" the last few years. That explains it. But you're wrong about Elliot. He never lost a mile/1500 in his career.

Yep but Elliott tried to hide instead of actually playing it out on the World Stage.

You guys are idiots in every sense of the word. It would be one thing if there was some genuine consistency in how you all grade and judge athletes. It's far too obvious however, that most of you here are far too biased to be taken seriously.

The fact that someone even said that Bianca is easier on the eyes is proof of this. How can your opinion on either athlete be legit if you're injecting a subjective opinion into it?

Serena is 37, Bianca is 19. I think Serena has earned the right to be "done" even if she's still capable of being among the best in the world. As far as arrogance, that's a criticism that people pick and choose who they want to enforce it with.

Might as well tell us how Thorpe is better than Phelps.

Your debates with long sets of previous messages kill every thread you enter. Go away.

He lost a ton of races after 1960 wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

So Williams has been "retired" the last few years. That explains it. But you're wrong about Elliot. He never lost a mile/1500 in his career.

Yep but Elliott tried to hide instead of actually playing it out on the World Stage.

"As a senior runner he never lost a mile or 1500m race".

Yeah - that's "hiding". In his era, they weren't professionals - he retired from competitive running after 1961 to focus on a career and raise a family.

But it was also complete dominance in his era. A perfect score in his specialty. Williams doesn't get close.

And to return to the original topic of the thread - no one accused him of "arrogance" or bad sportsmanship.

dang.