Donavan Brazier 1:42:70!!!!

How does every 800m thread end up back at Coe

Brazier runs within 0.1 of the US record and we get side tracked by events that happened 30 years ago.

ex-runner wrote:

Subway Surfers wrote:

+1 exactly

Amos is in the shape of his life and could run 1:41 low.

What is hard to understand about a young kid who is an extreme outlier talent like Bolt who just finds the 800m easy? He ran 1:41 in 2012 after just taking the sport seriously.

Had injury problems then whilst training part time still ran 1:42 or 1:43 every year despite his DJ and other life distractions.

Now as a mature 25 year old he's moved to the USA to be a full time athlete with OTC and is in the best shape ever. If he didn't have a slight hamstring niggle he would break the WR for sure.

The "extreme outlier" argument can be used to justify anything. Including and especially doping.

I would consider Rudisha a more extreme outlier than Amos was or is; Rudisha ran 1.47 at age 18 to win the World Juniors. Extreme outliers usually get better - unlike Amos, who has never run faster than when he was a schoolboy. And that remains a fact.

Armstronglivs wrote:

I would consider Rudisha a more extreme outlier than Amos was or is; Rudisha ran 1.47 at age 18 to win the World Juniors. Extreme outliers usually get better - unlike Amos, who has never run faster than when he was a schoolboy. And that remains a fact.

And you keep on ignoring facts. And that remains a fact.

Armstronglivs wrote:

I would consider Rudisha a more extreme outlier than Amos was or is; Rudisha ran 1.47 at age 18 to win the World Juniors. Extreme outliers usually get better - unlike Amos, who has never run faster than when he was a schoolboy. And that remains a fact.

Of course they usually do. Unless they decide to become DJs instead.

How exactly do you think DJ life fits with the life of professional athletes? Up all night late drinking and partying?

Injury also has plague Amos in his 2013 and 2016 seasons.

Amos is in the shape of his life now and he has gone from previously stating he needs Rudisha to run fast (someone to chase) to be able to run 1:41 from the front.

He will be the second man to run 1:40.

Ghtf wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

I would consider Rudisha a more extreme outlier than Amos was or is; Rudisha ran 1.47 at age 18 to win the World Juniors. Extreme outliers usually get better - unlike Amos, who has never run faster than when he was a schoolboy. And that remains a fact.

And you keep on ignoring facts. And that remains a fact.

So what "facts" make him faster than when he was 18? You confuse fact with fantasy.

ex-runner wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

I would consider Rudisha a more extreme outlier than Amos was or is; Rudisha ran 1.47 at age 18 to win the World Juniors. Extreme outliers usually get better - unlike Amos, who has never run faster than when he was a schoolboy. And that remains a fact.

Of course they usually do. Unless they decide to become DJs instead.

How exactly do you think DJ life fits with the life of professional athletes? Up all night late drinking and partying?

Injury also has plague Amos in his 2013 and 2016 seasons.

Amos is in the shape of his life now and he has gone from previously stating he needs Rudisha to run fast (someone to chase) to be able to run 1:41 from the front.

He will be the second man to run 1:40.

So he's been focusing on being a DJ for the last 7 years? Bollocks.

Armstronglivs wrote:

ex-runner wrote:

Of course they usually do. Unless they decide to become DJs instead.

How exactly do you think DJ life fits with the life of professional athletes? Up all night late drinking and partying?

Injury also has plague Amos in his 2013 and 2016 seasons.

Amos is in the shape of his life now and he has gone from previously stating he needs Rudisha to run fast (someone to chase) to be able to run 1:41 from the front.

He will be the second man to run 1:40.

So he's been focusing on being a DJ for the last 7 years? Bollocks.

See!? ex-runner stated facts and you dismiss them.

I remember Lyle Knudson always throwing shade the Coe could have benefited from the steroid craze of the mid-80's, there were articles in the BMC where he talked about anabolics and performance.

http://www.britishmilersclub.com/bmcnews/newsindex.asp

Ghtf wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

So he's been focusing on being a DJ for the last 7 years? Bollocks.

See!? ex-runner stated facts and you dismiss them.

Fact? How about fabrications? It is total bs that it was Amos's other interests and/or injuries that were the reason he failed to deliver after London in 2012. A couple or so years after London he was good enough to beat Rudisha (himself coming off injury) in a major championship - injuries were not a problem then for Amos - and as for the "DJ" claim it is ludicrous to suggest that he or anyone could come back to run 1.41-42 without being totally focused on their sport.

His 1.41xx at 18, reducing his best by 6 seconds over a year, was not credible, and this is reinforced by the lack of improvement in the next 7 years - and no amount of excuse-making changes that as unarguable fact. Doping is rife in this sport but you can't or won't see it when it stares you in the face.

I didn't know Coe's progression. But this is not normal progression.

No one who is running 50.5r as an 18 year old goes on to run 45.5r.

imagine graduating from a U.S. high school not being able to make the 4x400 and then going on to set the world record in the 800 4-5 years later.

Anyone who thinks that Amos of this season having the benefit of running behind 2012 Rudisha’s pacing wouldn’t run a PR is showing their track ignorance.

seasoned ranker wrote:

Anyone who thinks that Amos of this season having the benefit of running behind 2012 Rudisha’s pacing wouldn’t run a PR is showing their track ignorance.

He didn't need Rudisha to run 1.41xx from the front this year, and in his last race he was a full second through the 400 faster than Rudisha in 2012 and was running wr pace till 700m. In both races he went out faster than London. Yet he still hasn't beaten his 2012 time. But the glaring fact is that there hasnt been another top 800 runner who hasn't improved on their time as an 18 year old - and substantially. Amos has had plenty of chances to

improve on his pr in the last 7 years. He hasn't. Yet other great 800 runners, like Cruz and Rudisha, continued to improve into their 20's. No one here has also explained why Rudisha - who is probably the greatest 800m runner in history - was over 5 seconds slower than Amos at the same age and even at his brilliant peak, at London, was less than a second faster than an unheralded 18 year old. I would say "track ignorance" abounds in droves here amongst those who think this is all perfectly legit by Amos.

not normal at all wrote:

imagine graduating from a U.S. high school not being able to make the 4x400 and then going on to set the world record in the 800 4-5 years later.

Totally skewed analysis.

Your basing Coe’s ability on 1 outing over 400m (open or relay) between the ages of 16 and 20! You don’t know anything about the context of his one relay in 4 years.

At 18 Coe was running 1500m as his main event, after previously focusing on 3000m at 16.

Coe was not a 400m runner going through college, so your analogy is a red herring.

Coe was nowhere near fully developed at 18, as races of him on YouTube running at 19 will support.

You act like him having a pacer pulling him through only 400m at a time significantly faster than London 2012 is advantageous for him running a PR. Why?

Do you honestly believe that having 2012 Rudisha to chase in the race where Amos ran 1:41 this year wouldn't have resulted in a new PR?

The problem is you refuse to believe facts and instead make up your own reality.

He was rewarded for his silver medal at London with six cows, but last year he suffered with a thigh strain and a potentially more pernicious problem: fame.

"His elder sister Francinah warned he was becoming hostile to his family and was bragging that he could win races without training. He launched into a music career, calling himself DJ Zoroski. He crashed his car. Some feared he was losing his way."

"Q. You suffered a near career ending injury back in 2013 when you tore your quadriceps. It forced you to miss the World Championships when you were seen as one of the favourites for Gold. Emotionally and psychologically, how were you able to overcome that setback?

A. It was a really tough one. It was one of the most confusing and heartbreaking times in my life and sometimes I sit back and ask myself how I got out of that one.

I wonder how I managed to triumph through and remain, as people always say, one of the elite athletes of the world.

But I guess the love and support from my team, management and most importantly my grandmother kept me going."

"Q. You came into the spotlight at a very young age, how have you been able to handle the pressure that comes with being a national and international icon?

A. You know it’s funny that you say that; people often forget that I came into the limelight at such a young age.

I was only 18 years old – an 18-year-old boy not from the city but from Marobela.

I was a teenager and people did not at the time allow me to make mistakes that all teenagers are bound to make.

But what kept me going is knowing that I had to provide for my family; I was raised by my Grandmother with nine children at home so I knew what was expected of me with the God-given talent I have"

3. I have a special pre-race routine

“Every time I leave my hotel room ahead of a race, I make a point of kneeling down and screaming out ‘I’m going to be a champion’.

“It started in 2013. I’d been out injured with a hamstring injury but I managed to run well in 1:44.71. I thought, ‘if I can run this well with an injury then the pre-race ritual works for me’ and it has remained ever since. I shout out ‘I’m going to be a champion’ and then say a short prayer

2019: "Asked if he can now consider himself back following years of mixed results, Zoro as Amos is affectionately known had this to say: “I was never out of the game but I had injuries time and that affected my performance. Now I have got my health back and I can handle more intensity in training hence my performance now. You know in the past I could not do more than three sessions a week.” He is currently based at the Nike Oregon training centre in USA under the tutelage of Coach Mark Rowland"

You don't know anything about Amos and his story. Why do you pretend you do?

No, is my response. In his 1.41 effort this year Amos was flat to the boards and left nothing out there - and this was even more so with his ridiculously run 1.42. He didn't need to be chasing anyone to run any harder or faster. But that begs the question, why has it taken him 7 years to even get close to his pr?

Also, by talking about Rudisha pulling him to a pr you are missing my point; in my view he had no right to be running 1.41 at 18 while carving 6 seconds off his best time over a year. That race suggested he ought to have been capable of further significant improvement as he matured - maybe a couple of seconds or more (like Cruz, who went from 1.44 at 18 to sub 1.42 at 21) - which would have made him the first sub-1.40 runner. But I never believed he had that kind of talent - and he has proved it. He hasn't delivered on that early and freakish promise. Just another African doper.

It is just a story. But I did like the bit about the cows.