Lopinger wrote:
Not Downhill wrote:
The Cool Breeze course is not close to as fast as Woodbridge. Woodbridge is a good 30 seconds faster.
Can confirm what the Claremont kid said, Cool Breeze was about 20 seconds slower this year than last year.
That's BS.
A 9th grader ran 14:42 at Cool Breeze. Are you saying that 9th grader can run 14:20?
Not BS, That 9th grader took down some fast guys running that 14:42 ( 9:13 3200m runner and 4:12 1600m runner).
The facts are:
Several kids are from outside of their school district.
Many of their runners have run incredibly fast prior to coming to Newbury Park.
They do run very fast under their coach’s training.
TO in the know wrote:
The facts are:
Several kids are from outside of their school district.
Many of their runners have run incredibly fast prior to coming to Newbury Park.
They do run very fast under their coach’s training.
How about you tell us specifics and stop sounding like a whiny baby.
Who are these several kids and are they braking any rules? If they are, does CIF somehow not know about it?
What do you consider "incredibly fast"? What is wrong with doing that before going to Newbury Park? Would you prefer only incredibly slow kids join the running team? Should all the extremely short kids join their basketball team?
well that didn't go to plan wrote:
Injuries affect results wrote:
Depends upon whether their injured runners recover and are able to contribute later this season. Two of the Saugus top six, including 2018 #1, and two more potential varsity runners didn't run in Utah or at Cool Breeze.
That makes sense. Who are these 4 runners you speak of? 4 of your potential top 7 not running sounds like an issue.
Pearson - team #1 at 2018 state meet
Bendrat - team #4 at 2018 state meet
Berretta - Just noticed that she ran in the JV race at BYU; ran 19:08 5K in 2018
Gannon - Finished second to Bendrat in 2018 Frosh-Soph league finals
Not four of top seven but the latter two could contribute if running well (especially if Pearson and Bendrat were out).
stop with the passive aggressive bs wrote:
TO in the know wrote:
The facts are:
Several kids are from outside of their school district.
Many of their runners have run incredibly fast prior to coming to Newbury Park.
They do run very fast under their coach’s training.
How about you tell us specifics and stop sounding like a whiny baby.
Who are these several kids and are they braking any rules? If they are, does CIF somehow not know about it?
What do you consider "incredibly fast"? What is wrong with doing that before going to Newbury Park? Would you prefer only incredibly slow kids join the running team? Should all the extremely short kids join their basketball team?
Why so defensive?
The Young brothers, Sahlman brothers and Aaron Cantu all live outside of the Newbury Park school zone. As far as I know, Newbury Park has open enrollment. I’m not accusing them of braking rules and I have no idea what CIF knows and doesn’t know.
I consider under 5:00 for 1600 fast for a middle schooler and under 4:50 for 1600 incredibly fast. They have a ton of both. You can look up the specifics on athletic.net.
Why would anything in my post be worth being so defensive? No judgement at all. Do you disagree that 6 of your better runners living out the school area is a lot? Do you disagree that running under 4:50 for 1600 for a middle schooler is fast?
They have fast kids come in to the program and they run fast when they are there. Is that whining?
bresker wrote:
SpellCHECK-O wrote:
Newbury
Screw Newbury Park.
Their top 5 come from only two sets of parents!
And they steal every top club runner in the county.
It would be easier to root for them if their coach didn’t make it all about himself. Constantly name dropping and exaggerating his own running success. Makes it sound like he’s having weekly coffee with Salazar and Schumacher as an 8 or 9 time All American (depends which interview you listen to) that he somehow accumulated in his 1 year at Adams St.
Seems like every time he’s asked in an interview about a kid, he points out how they have complete trust in him and listen to him, making it sound like he is the reason for their success. Would rather hear him say something like, they are phenomenally talented and I just try to put them in a position to best use their talent.
Yes CIF rules have changed about where you can attend, but that doesn't change the fact the Newbury Park is poaching top kids meant for other high schools. It's shady. Kids should be going to their local school, not driving across town to go somewhere they've been recruited.
And those Top 5 last Thursday are not their fastest 5.
So I amend. Their top six runners come from only three sets of parents.
TO in the know wrote:
bresker wrote:
Screw Newbury Park.
Their top 5 come from only two sets of parents!
And they steal every top club runner in the county.
It would be easier to root for them if their coach didn’t make it all about himself. Constantly name dropping and exaggerating his own running success. Makes it sound like he’s having weekly coffee with Salazar and Schumacher as an 8 or 9 time All American (depends which interview you listen to) that he somehow accumulated in his 1 year at Adams St.
Seems like every time he’s asked in an interview about a kid, he points out how they have complete trust in him and listen to him, making it sound like he is the reason for their success. Would rather hear him say something like, they are phenomenally talented and I just try to put them in a position to best use their talent.
Seem like a good coach to point out they have complete trust in him.
TO in the know wrote:
stop with the passive aggressive bs wrote:
How about you tell us specifics and stop sounding like a whiny baby.
Who are these several kids and are they braking any rules? If they are, does CIF somehow not know about it?
What do you consider "incredibly fast"? What is wrong with doing that before going to Newbury Park? Would you prefer only incredibly slow kids join the running team? Should all the extremely short kids join their basketball team?
Why so defensive?
The Young brothers, Sahlman brothers and Aaron Cantu all live outside of the Newbury Park school zone. As far as I know, Newbury Park has open enrollment. I’m not accusing them of braking rules and I have no idea what CIF knows and doesn’t know.
I consider under 5:00 for 1600 fast for a middle schooler and under 4:50 for 1600 incredibly fast. They have a ton of both. You can look up the specifics on athletic.net.
Why would anything in my post be worth being so defensive? No judgement at all. Do you disagree that 6 of your better runners living out the school area is a lot? Do you disagree that running under 4:50 for 1600 for a middle schooler is fast?
They have fast kids come in to the program and they run fast when they are there. Is that whining?
Defensive because you're bringing up things that are not against the rules to take away from their accomplishments. If you have issue with people attending a school outside their "school zone" then take it up with CIF. Newbury Park doesn't make the rules, but they sure seem to be playing by the rules.
If they are actively recruiting or "poaching" students that's an issue, for sure. However, what typically happens is that when a particular program at a school has success, whether it's cross country, football, band, etc. students will transfer there or choose to attend that high school as a freshman due to open enrollment. It happens all over southern california and probably the nation for that matter. The better a program is the more one would expect out-of-area students to be attending and why not? Would you rather the Young brothers attended a high school that had a trash program so their talents could be wasted?
For the record, I absolutely agree a sub 4:50 for 1600 as a middle schooler is fast.
Quite a few kids have transferred into Great Oak for the same reason. "Build it and they will come."
Why do TO in the know’s comments take away from their accomplishments?
They are attracting fast kids and the training is helping them run fast in high school.
You are reading something into the post that isn’t there. If there is nothing wrong with kids from another area attending the school, why would that be diminish their accomplishments.
Airsupply wrote:
Why do TO in the know’s comments take away from their accomplishments?
They are attracting fast kids and the training is helping them run fast in high school.
You are reading something into the post that isn’t there. If there is nothing wrong with kids from another area attending the school, why would that be diminish their accomplishments.
No, I'm reading into it exactly as it was meant to be. Otherwise, if TO thinks there is nothing wrong with it why would it be brought up at all? It would have never crossed TOs mind as being pertinent to the discussion.
stop with the passive aggressive bs wrote:
Airsupply wrote:
Why do TO in the know’s comments take away from their accomplishments?
They are attracting fast kids and the training is helping them run fast in high school.
You are reading something into the post that isn’t there. If there is nothing wrong with kids from another area attending the school, why would that be diminish their accomplishments.
No, I'm reading into it exactly as it was meant to be. Otherwise, if TO thinks there is nothing wrong with it why would it be brought up at all? It would have never crossed TOs mind as being pertinent to the discussion.
You are being unnecessarily defensive. Did the fast kids from out of the area contribute to their success? If so, it’s fair to point it out and pertinent to the discussion. If there is nothing wrong with it, stop being defensive.
The kids are the biggest factor in their success. If you get that many fast kids (wherever they come from) and have them do solid training, you’ll probably end up with success.
By the way, Great Oak and Loudoun Valley catch plenty of garbage for transfers as well. Why should Newbury be any different.
Saugus has two of their top girls hurt? can anyone confirm ?
Lano from Cali wrote:
Saugus has two of their top girls hurt? can anyone confirm ?
"Two of the Saugus top six, including 2018 #1, and two more potential varsity runners didn't run in Utah or at Cool Breeze."
Falcons over Eagles wrote:
stop with the passive aggressive bs wrote:
No, I'm reading into it exactly as it was meant to be. Otherwise, if TO thinks there is nothing wrong with it why would it be brought up at all? It would have never crossed TOs mind as being pertinent to the discussion.
You are being unnecessarily defensive. Did the fast kids from out of the area contribute to their success? If so, it’s fair to point it out and pertinent to the discussion. If there is nothing wrong with it, stop being defensive.
The kids are the biggest factor in their success. If you get that many fast kids (wherever they come from) and have them do solid training, you’ll probably end up with success.
By the way, Great Oak and Loudoun Valley catch plenty of garbage for transfers as well. Why should Newbury be any different.
How exactly is it pertinent to the discussion, which is CA HS XC Team Rankings? You are admitting that you're diminishing their accomplishments even though they are playing by the rules. You should expect that people will get defensive about that.
GO, LV and NP shouldn't be catching plenty of garbage is my point. They built a great program and attract students that are naturally gifted. If any garbage should be thrown at someone's way in regards to a transfer or someone attending an open-enrollment school while living out-of-area it ought to be the program they are avoiding.
Falcons over Eagles wrote:
stop with the passive aggressive bs wrote:
No, I'm reading into it exactly as it was meant to be. Otherwise, if TO thinks there is nothing wrong with it why would it be brought up at all? It would have never crossed TOs mind as being pertinent to the discussion.
You are being unnecessarily defensive. Did the fast kids from out of the area contribute to their success? If so, it’s fair to point it out and pertinent to the discussion. If there is nothing wrong with it, stop being defensive.
The kids are the biggest factor in their success. If you get that many fast kids (wherever they come from) and have them do solid training, you’ll probably end up with success.
By the way, Great Oak and Loudoun Valley catch plenty of garbage for transfers as well. Why should Newbury be any different.
I clicked on this for the firs time knowing this thread would have devolved into ripping on the douche nozzle in charge at Newbury Park who thinks he gets to decide where his kids go to college. Turns out I was right. Bravo Sean Brosnan...keep manipulating your kids for your own ends...
And comparing times to what they ran last year (keeping in mind efforts can vary), but team time dropped 2 minutes for NP. TO also was about 1 minute faster. NP will likely give GO a legitimate threat at Woodbridge and NXN.
Athletes choosing schools like this must be somewhat new esp in that area. To think how tough Royal would have been early 2000s had they some top guys from TO, Augora, etc?
Regardless, be proud of your efforts TO guys and stay off of LR websites. Just focus on peaking end of the season and representing well.
stop with the passive aggressive bs wrote:
TO in the know wrote:
Why so defensive?
The Young brothers, Sahlman brothers and Aaron Cantu all live outside of the Newbury Park school zone. As far as I know, Newbury Park has open enrollment. I’m not accusing them of braking rules and I have no idea what CIF knows and doesn’t know.
I consider under 5:00 for 1600 fast for a middle schooler and under 4:50 for 1600 incredibly fast. They have a ton of both. You can look up the specifics on athletic.net.
Why would anything in my post be worth being so defensive? No judgement at all. Do you disagree that 6 of your better runners living out the school area is a lot? Do you disagree that running under 4:50 for 1600 for a middle schooler is fast?
They have fast kids come in to the program and they run fast when they are there. Is that whining?
Defensive because you're bringing up things that are not against the rules to take away from their accomplishments. If you have issue with people attending a school outside their "school zone" then take it up with CIF. Newbury Park doesn't make the rules, but they sure seem to be playing by the rules.
If they are actively recruiting or "poaching" students that's an issue, for sure. However, what typically happens is that when a particular program at a school has success, whether it's cross country, football, band, etc. students will transfer there or choose to attend that high school as a freshman due to open enrollment. It happens all over southern california and probably the nation for that matter. The better a program is the more one would expect out-of-area students to be attending and why not? Would you rather the Young brothers attended a high school that had a trash program so their talents could be wasted?
For the record, I absolutely agree a sub 4:50 for 1600 as a middle schooler is fast.
Quite a few kids have transferred into Great Oak for the same reason. "Build it and they will come."
But the NP coach is going to club meets and recruiting these MS'ers. They're not just coming to him.
Gogo Gadget Shoes wrote:
And comparing times to what they ran last year (keeping in mind efforts can vary), but team time dropped 2 minutes for NP. TO also was about 1 minute faster. NP will likely give GO a legitimate threat at Woodbridge and NXN.
Athletes choosing schools like this must be somewhat new esp in that area. To think how tough Royal would have been early 2000s had they some top guys from TO, Augora, etc?
Regardless, be proud of your efforts TO guys and stay off of LR websites. Just focus on peaking end of the season and representing well.
The same people just post over and over and try to get a rise. The MB's can be a great place for information, but in reality it's more of a place where the jealous come out online to try and hurt others to make themselves feel worthy.
When people have negative things to say here, its very clear they are unhappy with themselves and jealous of others. A++++++++++++++ to the MB hacks.
On that note GO and NP are STACKED this year. It's going to be fun to watch
Coach of Nobody wrote:
Dr. Beaker wrote:
I honestly don't even know, that's why I'm asking. I'll try, but my list is going to be crap. This is only for division 1.
Division 1: Boys
1. Great Oak
2.Dublin
3..Clovis North
4. Crescenta Valley
5.Buchanan
6. Jesuit
7. West Ranch
8. Tesoro
9. Roosevelt
10. Ayala
11. Yucaipa
You're trippin if you think 2-11 is going to be ahead of Dana Hills. DH might be the only other team in CA worth my time of even looking into. If someone knows otherwise, I'm all ears. If a team doesn't have 5+ guys under 4:30, or like DH have close to it with a bunch of them being 9th and 10th graders it's just not going to happen for them.
I feel like Great Oak will take the DI easy hands down. It's a shame CA doesn't have a true State Champs with D 1,2,3,4 like track does. It would be good to put DI and DII boys together in one race
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