THREE Bowerman guys won't be going to Worlds because they don't have the standard

What happens when you never race.

Not sure what to think of this and why we feel the Marathon should be held to a different standard?

Kincaid sort've went for it, then the race became tactical. If he would have kept the gas down when Chelimo started playing games he might be going. Thompson I really feel for as I think he's hit the standard the last 2 years, just not this window.

Do they have time to meet the standard ? That has been the practice in the past .

mooonshot wrote:

Not sure what to think of this and why we feel the Marathon should be held to a different standard?

Kincaid sort've went for it, then the race became tactical. If he would have kept the gas down when Chelimo started playing games he might be going. Thompson I really feel for as I think he's hit the standard the last 2 years, just not this window.

Agreed, the brojos were crying about how top 3 at the marathon Trials should go to the Olympics. It's never actually worked that way in recent memory, but I suppose that's how it's going to be now. Why should the track be any different?

Thompson has never been close to the standard.

Hounddogharrier wrote:

Do they have time to meet the standard ? That has been the practice in the past .

No, "chasing the standard" isn't a thing anymore.

This is also ignoring the potential of these runners to qualify based on ranking. Kenya and Ethiopia can only send 3 athletes per team so when you take away the other several dozen runners of those nationalities from the rankings it's possible some of these runners could have qualified that way but USATF has said nope.

mooonshot wrote:

Not sure what to think of this and why we feel the Marathon should be held to a different standard?

Kincaid sort've went for it, then the race became tactical. If he would have kept the gas down when Chelimo started playing games he might be going. Thompson I really feel for as I think he's hit the standard the last 2 years, just not this window.

I'm not entirely sure what Kincaid was thinking during the race. He certainly started off with the goal of running the WC standard of 13:22.50 along with Lomong but then for some odd reason he must have decided that he couldn't run that fast as he refused to work with Chelimo. I can sort of understand Lomong's reasoning as he's already qualified in the 10000m and is choosing to run that at World's. However if the two of them would have helped out a little they most likely would have run faster than the standard.

I agree, Kincaid has nobody to blame but himself. He's never going to beat Lomong or Chelimo in a final lap sprint so it's not as if he can just sit and hope to win the title (as Lomong should have and did do). He either gets the standard and gives himself a chance to go to worlds or doesn't get the standard and gives himself zero chance to go to worlds... By letting the pace lag for many laps he missed out on the standard and took himself out of the running for a spot. It almost seemed like he was getting advice from someone on the infield at one point. Was Jerry trying to tell him to go for it?

I'd be interested to hear his recap of the race and how he was feeling.

Kincaid ran a chicken$hi+ race and paid for it. no sympathy for him.

Brukner khan wrote:

Thompson has never been close to the standard.

Thompson is a crazy case for Bowerman group. Ran only 9-flat in the steeplechase a month ago and hear he was put out to pasture and then gets 3rd. But Ben gets to go.

boohoo wrote:

Kincaid ran a chicken$hi+ race and paid for it. no sympathy for him.

All things considered, Woody ran a pretty damn good race.

3rd in the nation.

Outkicked Drew Hunter

Outkicked Mead

Outkicked Ben True

Outkicked Riley Masters

Outkicked Hilary Bor

Southern Pride wrote:

What happens when you never race.

Someone had to say it

Sucks, brah.

He declined the lead numerous times when he was the one who needed the pace to keep going. Shaking his head and expecting Chelimo to lead the whole way. Weak.

Have to lead at some point wrote:

He declined the lead numerous times when he was the one who needed the pace to keep going. Shaking his head and expecting Chelimo to lead the whole way. Weak.

Worse than this was the 2 Hoka girls not pushing the pace to get the standard.

Then they don't deserve it. Maybe they will lose their contracts and the next guys up will get an even worse contract. Don't go to Jerry though. Gotta be out there racing.

Lomong will be going to worlds, just not in the 5K. Lomong had a perfectly good opportunity to hit the 5K standard a week or two ago at the Sunset meet but missed it because for some reason he waited and kicked instead of pushing the pace so I assume he was not really interested in running the 5K at worlds.

Lomong also could have hit the standard several months ago at Stanford, the same race that Hunter ran it, but he didn’t.

I would rather have Lomong on the team than Hunter. Lomong will make an impact. Hunter will not.

Have to lead at some point wrote:

He declined the lead numerous times when he was the one who needed the pace to keep going. Shaking his head and expecting Chelimo to lead the whole way. Weak.

Hopefully we can agree on the fact that at a national level anyone taking the lead and pushing out in front of the field while seeking a time ends in disaster. See Johnson in the women's 1500 for reference.

However, this was not the case. Kincaid had two other guys to share duties. If they had worked as a group, as it appeared Chelimo wanted to do, they could have have increased their lead, rid themselves of the stress of battling for top three, and pulled it off. The situation required a quick decision and maybe he was not feeling it at that moment. I'm sure missing the standard by 4 seconds after mixing in a few 70's is regrettable but he has to shoulder the blame. If Kincaid had a "do over" I think he would have tried the more aggressive option.