Kipchoge attempts new sub 2h marathon in Vienna in Oct 2019

Will there be others competing along with Mr. Kipchoge as was the case when he ran a 2:00:25 in Italy ?

This dude can dial in. Don't know if the whole thing will be record eligible. But I say he breaks 2:00:00. And truthfully, it will be more compelling than him winning Berlin in 2:02. Sure, I'd like to see him in NYC, where he would probably run 2:04 and make a joke out of other competitors and previous fast times. But This way we get world championships, competitive fall marathons and Kipchoge running 1:59.54. Win/Win/Win

Then it becomes less interesting if there is no chance it can be an officiallyl world record.

*stipe wrote:

This dude can dial in. Don't know if the whole thing will be record eligible. But I say he breaks 2:00:00. And truthfully, it will be more compelling than him winning Berlin in 2:02. Sure, I'd like to see him in NYC, where he would probably run 2:04 and make a joke out of other competitors and previous fast times. But This way we get world championships, competitive fall marathons and Kipchoge running 1:59.54. Win/Win/Win

I’d rather see him run the time in a race.

Him breaking the record in Berlin was more exciting than the sub 2 attempt.

I’d rather see him run the time in a race.

Him breaking the record in Berlin was more exciting than the sub 2 attempt.[/quote]

100% agree!

But I think they are acknowledging that they aren’t there yet. Part of it is that to set a new record, he has to do most of the heavy lifting. If there is any other contender, he becomes the de facto rabbit.

Seriously mate? wrote:

Article breaks down their reasoning and why they ultimately chose Vienna:

https://www.ineos159challenge.com/news/why-vienna-proved-to-be-the-outstanding-candidate-to-host-the-ineos-1-59-challenge/

"ideally set up in a multi-lap circuit which would make it easier logistically for organization vehicles and pacemakers who, like the Monza attempt, will be rotated in and out." So it won't be official, just another stunt.

Subway Surfers wrote:

Seriously mate? wrote:

Article breaks down their reasoning and why they ultimately chose Vienna:

https://www.ineos159challenge.com/news/why-vienna-proved-to-be-the-outstanding-candidate-to-host-the-ineos-1-59-challenge/

"ideally set up in a multi-lap circuit which would make it easier logistically for organization vehicles and pacemakers who, like the Monza attempt, will be rotated in and out." So it won't be official, just another stunt.

Why bother even using rotating pacers then?

Just use a large truck, more steady pacing, better drafting.

Better yet, strap a giant fan onto a car and driving behind him, giving him a constant tailwind.

confused..... wrote:

I never understood why they didn't just set up a dead straight course and wait for a tailwind.

Because it's a headwind when you run the other direction.

A legal workaround would be to set up a simple out-and-back taking advantage of prevailing weather patterns to get a tailwind both ways. For example the downhill winds off of mountains regularly reverse wind direction starting in evening in many places. Just pick a cool enough weather location.

I suspect the Monaco stadium is designed to trap wind into a vortex that creates a tailwind on most of the track.

Bad Wigins wrote:

confused..... wrote:

I never understood why they didn't just set up a dead straight course and wait for a tailwind.

Because it's a headwind when you run the other direction.

A legal workaround would be to set up a simple out-and-back taking advantage of prevailing weather patterns to get a tailwind both ways. For example the downhill winds off of mountains regularly reverse wind direction starting in evening in many places. Just pick a cool enough weather location.

I suspect the Monaco stadium is designed to trap wind into a vortex that creates a tailwind on most of the track.

Then make it point to point.

Is there not a 26 mile stretch of flat road somewhere in the middle of Canada?

Less interesting wrote:

Then it becomes less interesting if there is no chance it can be an officiallyl world record.

"Less interesting" for you. I suspect that a sub-2 hour marathon that is its own event will be "more interesting" to the kinds of people in media who know little about the sport but who wish to bring quality stories to the public (even if it is to attract viewers or readers).

Free_the_thigh wrote:

Then make it point to point.

Is there not a 26 mile stretch of flat road somewhere in the middle of Canada?

Too much altitude, not flat enough, too much residual snow on the ground from the previous winter, too many grizzly bears wanting to make a meal of a 2:02 marathoner, too many friendly people making Kipchoge waste precious energy smiling back.

serious question for those in the know on IAAF rules:

considering it's loops, why can't a couple of the pacers go one lap, start slowing down (way down), let other pacers do the next two laps, and then pick up the pace again when EK catches (laps) them on Lap 4? They could have 12 pacers doing this in sets of three guys, and as long as all of them finished the race, would it still be disallowable? As long as they finish, I don't see how they could apply an "honest effort" rule against the pacers...

not my real name wrote:

serious question for those in the know on IAAF rules:

considering it's loops, why can't a couple of the pacers go one lap, start slowing down (way down), let other pacers do the next two laps, and then pick up the pace again when EK catches (laps) them on Lap 4? They could have 12 pacers doing this in sets of three guys, and as long as all of them finished the race, would it still be disallowable? As long as they finish, I don't see how they could apply an "honest effort" rule against the pacers...

If Yoda ever gets busted it'll be worse than when Anakin chopped those kids heads off.

not my real name wrote:

serious question for those in the know on IAAF rules:

considering it's loops, why can't a couple of the pacers go one lap, start slowing down (way down), let other pacers do the next two laps, and then pick up the pace again when EK catches (laps) them on Lap 4? They could have 12 pacers doing this in sets of three guys, and as long as all of them finished the race, would it still be disallowable? As long as they finish, I don't see how they could apply an "honest effort" rule against the pacers...

This seems pretty brilliant

The thing I'm most looking forward to in the fall is a potentially major comeback from Bekele. I'm sure he will focus on clearing the injuries and training now that the Olympics are literally only a year away. A win in Berlin would be epic

Bad Wigins wrote:

Because it's a headwind when you run the other direction.

A legal workaround would be to set up a simple out-and-back taking advantage of prevailing weather patterns to get a tailwind both ways. For example the downhill winds off of mountains regularly reverse wind direction starting in evening in many places. Just pick a cool enough weather location.

I suspect the Monaco stadium is designed to trap wind into a vortex that creates a tailwind on most of the track.

Yes the sea breeze drifts up the back straight while the home straight is sheltered from a headwind. The longer the event the bigger the gains, 100m & 200m times there are ok, 400m not bad, 800m very good, 1500m, 3kSC and 5k are all white hot.

Bad Wigins wrote:

confused..... wrote:

I never understood why they didn't just set up a dead straight course and wait for a tailwind.

Because it's a headwind when you run the other direction.

A legal workaround would be to set up a simple out-and-back taking advantage of prevailing weather patterns to get a tailwind both ways. For example the downhill winds off of mountains regularly reverse wind direction starting in evening in many places. Just pick a cool enough weather location.

I suspect the Monaco stadium is designed to trap wind into a vortex that creates a tailwind on most of the track.

Read my previous sentence. Make it one dead straight line course so no running in the other direction. With rotating pacers the record won't be eligible anyway so it doesn't matter if it's point to point.

will the brojos write again a long article with the bla bla bla that is not possible, that it will not happen in decades and so on?

looks like they got scared after 2h00:25 from Monza and his WR in Berlin and the sub 2h seems now a real possibility - still remote - but with fair chances of happening.