Essentially a straight rather than a loop course. Also in Vienna.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BzNS_TdATTj/?igshid=12n82tav3jdn4
Essentially a straight rather than a loop course. Also in Vienna.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BzNS_TdATTj/?igshid=12n82tav3jdn4
Hard to tell how tight one of the turns is, but doubling back like that is surely going to slow him down at least a little which, if it comes down to seconds, seems an odd choice...
Just read this in a local newspaper. Can he do it this time? He will do it on the so called "Hauptallee", which is a 4.2k straight running street in a park in Vienna and pretty much ideal for such an attempt.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BzNS_TdATTj/
https://runningmagazine.ca/sections/runs-races/vienna-chosen-for-ineos-159-on-october-12/
I'm from Vienna, the turns are two very big circles, one around the "Lusthaus" building and one around the "Praterstern" train station. The straight is in a park which is fully protected from wind. I'm doing 1k repeats faster there than on the track unless I use spikes (my pace is only ~3:20/k, but I assume it's similar for someone doing ~2:50/k).
I thought it was going to be in London? Better blood storage facilities in Vienna perhaps?
LateRunnerPhil wrote:
I'm from Vienna, the turns are two very big circles, one around the "Lusthaus" building and one around the "Praterstern" train station. The straight is in a park which is fully protected from wind. I'm doing 1k repeats faster there than on the track unless I use spikes (my pace is only ~3:20/k, but I assume it's similar for someone doing ~2:50/k).
Cool, cheers. I've been to Vienna a few times but couldn't picture it.
LateRunnerPhil wrote:
Just read this in a local newspaper. Can he do it this time? He will do it on the so called "Hauptallee", which is a 4.2k straight running street in a park in Vienna and pretty much ideal for such an attempt.
If it's a straight running street he has to slow down at every turn.
There are 2 large circles for each turn. One is around a building, and one is around a train station. It's unlikely a small runner like Kipchoge is gonna lose any time there, the formula 1 course last time was much more curvy. Considering his real age, this is likely the last chance he is gonna get to get sub 2 so he will use it.
The real question here is if it is in principle record eligible? So will they have rotation pacers again? Is the looped course a problem for a record?
LateRunnerPhil wrote:
Just read this in a local newspaper. Can he do it this time? He will do it on the so called "Hauptallee", which is a 4.2k straight running street in a park in Vienna and pretty much ideal for such an attempt.
I think he can do it as long as he switches to Tinman elite training and makes Tinman his coach.
A multiple loop course is acceptable for World Records. There is no minimum required.
The Monza course was 17.5+ loops and record eligible.
So, how is this race going to happen? Is it similar to breaking 2 with a pace team blocking the wind? or several runners and pacers?
runningchick wrote:
The real question here is if it is in principle record eligible? So will they have rotation pacers again? Is the looped course a problem for a record?
They will not have rotation pacers again because then it would not be eligible record.This will make it much more difficult to come close or sub 2 compared to Monza.
He would already have gone sub 2 had he chosen his attempt at Badwater Basin or the Dead Sea.
Literally flat, totally straight, and below sea level. (well, flat to within less than 1 inch per mile)
Dndjdj wrote:
He would already have gone sub 2 had he chosen his attempt at Badwater Basin or the Dead Sea.
Literally flat, totally straight, and below sea level. (well, flat to within less than 1 inch per mile)
This was considered for breaking 2 I think I read. There’s a couple problems, first off the temperatures in those places specifically are way too hot. Maybe Amsterdam would be an okay option for below sea level with good temperatures.
But Monza was selected for breaking 2 because it’s something like 600 feet above sea level which apparently is the optimum ratio of oxygen density and air resistance. Below sea level, the benefits of having more air to breath are negated by the greater air resistance. I remember reading about this in Hutchinson’s book Endure and also I think it was talked about in some nike marketing for the event.
Will they have a Tesla pace car again?
Tinman fan wrote:
LateRunnerPhil wrote:
Just read this in a local newspaper. Can he do it this time? He will do it on the so called "Hauptallee", which is a 4.2k straight running street in a park in Vienna and pretty much ideal for such an attempt.
I think he can do it as long as he switches to Tinman elite training and makes Tinman his coach.
Your obsession with sarcastic Tinman comments now has just become weird.
The course is at about 500 feet above sea level, so pretty similar to Monza. Also the U-turn are, as mentioned, two large circles / roundabouts which shouldn't be an issue (one of the two is btw a very busy street, so blocking this seems to be a proof for heavy Support from local politics?). Also there is some wind protection because of trees, however, Vienna can be quite windy and this might still be an issue. Additionally, the straight looks completly flat but has in fact about 4m (12 feet) of height difference, this might also add up to a few seconds. Temperatures in october should be ideal with very little risk for too warm or cold temperature, so wind (and heavy rain) are the only potential risks.
Overall I think this is a pretty fast course (and best time of the year to do it in Vienna) and probably faster than any large Marathon but not the fastest theoretical possible course, especially if there is some wind.
I never understood why they didn't just set up a dead straight course and wait for a tailwind. The turns are minimal but when you're talking less than 30 seconds over 2 hours, they add up and the reduced wind resistance from a tailwind would have made this a done deal sometime ago.
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