Democrat presidential debate official thread

douglas burke wrote:

The Democrats just voted 47-0

The Republicans voted 51-2

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The ultimate would be if the Reps said no to witnesses but yes on impeachment with the rationale that they didn't need any more evidence prove a crime and witnesses would have made the trial drag out. But i know, this isn't Hollywood. i've lost all my respect for the republican party.

My thread "Iowa caucuses, who you got" was deleted. But it's time to start placing bets! i've got biden FTW with bernie in a close second.

douglas burke wrote:

The Democrats just voted 47-0

The Republicans voted 51-2

You can't tell me (Either Way) that All these people OBJECTIVELY looked at all the facts, and Voted what they HONESTLY believed to be right.

They Voted To Appease their Party, they did NOT Vote what they TRULY Believed, and they try to PRETEND They are beyond reproach, and have the HIGHEST Morals, Ethics and Principles.

People are SUPPOSED to do What is RIGHT, EVEN WHEN it is NOT to their Benefit or even when doing right hurts them.

Example after Sugar Ray Leonard fought Tommy Hearns to a Draw, Leonard said The Judges had it a Draw, but as far as I am concerned Tommy Won Fair and Square Tonight and In My mind I am one Win and One Loss Against Hearns.

Are you implying Democrats voted for witnesses and documents but felt differently? All who voted FOR witnesses and documents were practical and honorable votes. This was not a vote on articles of impeachment today.

moanswers wrote:

My thread "Iowa caucuses, who you got" was deleted. But it's time to start placing bets! i've got biden FTW with bernie in a close second.

Hey Libs!

Remember what happened in 2016?

The manner in which McConnell has managed the impeachment trial has nearly guaranteed Democrats will run U.S. Senate, January, 2021. McConnell will not be able to hide witnesses & documents at the next impeachment trial of your guy win. It is a certainty if your guy wins he will continue to commit illegal acts. Only Senator Sanders can beat him. Senator Sanders is the only one with potential to appeal to young voters.

I don’t know how Iowa will turn out.

And I don’t know how much Iowa will influence how people vote on the other states.

My preference for who the nominee should be, in order are:

1) Elizabeth Warren

2) Pete Buttigieg

3) Joe Biden

4) Michael Bloomberg

5) Bernie Sanders

vote on witnesses & documents wrote:

The manner in which McConnell has managed the impeachment trial has nearly guaranteed Democrats will run U.S. Senate, January, 2021. McConnell will not be able to hide witnesses & documents at the next impeachment trial of your guy win. It is a certainty if your guy wins he will continue to commit illegal acts. Only Senator Sanders can beat him. Senator Sanders is the only one with potential to appeal to young voters.

Those witnesses that the Senator was “hiding”, why didn’t they just call them to testify during the hearings in the House?

Trump wrote:

vote on witnesses & documents wrote:

The manner in which McConnell has managed the impeachment trial has nearly guaranteed Democrats will run U.S. Senate, January, 2021. McConnell will not be able to hide witnesses & documents at the next impeachment trial of your guy win. It is a certainty if your guy wins he will continue to commit illegal acts. Only Senator Sanders can beat him. Senator Sanders is the only one with potential to appeal to young voters.

Those witnesses that the Senator was “hiding”, why didn’t they just call them to testify during the hearings in the House?

Do you take in any news not Breitbart or FOX?

John Bolton (through his attorneys) several months ago told U.S. Congress he would refuse to testify if subpoenaed. Others indicated they would not testify in front of U.S. Congress. It is more likely if Republicans in U.S. Senate issued subpoenas, some would have testified. Note: Some testified in 1868 impeachment of Andrew Johnson who did not testify in front of U.S. Congress. Some testified in 1999 impeachment of Clinton who did not testify in front of U.S. Congress. U.S. Congress had the authority to arrest & detain individuals for refusing to testify. That would have been a high risk strategy by Speaker Pelosi. Speaker Pelosi rightfully needs to be concerned with public opinion.

Anyway, McConnell did what he did. How many Republican held seats are up, 2020? There is no way at least 6 do not change to Democrat. Maybe Republicans get Doug Jones' seat in AL. The U.S. Senate is nearly guaranteed to switch.

vote on witnesses & documents wrote:

The manner in which McConnell has managed the impeachment trial has nearly guaranteed Democrats will run U.S. Senate, January, 2021. McConnell will not be able to hide witnesses & documents at the next impeachment trial of your guy win. It is a certainty if your guy wins he will continue to commit illegal acts. Only Senator Sanders can beat him. Senator Sanders is the only one with potential to appeal to young voters.

Are you suggesting that "young voters" would not support any other Democratic nominee against Trump? If so, they are spoiled brats who have no compassion for other people who are not like themselves. In other words, they are no better than Trump supporters.

Bloomberg = Free stuff + green energy. GTFO

https://nypost.com/2020/02/01/mike-bloomberg-unveils-5-trillion-tax-plan/

Not Born in the USA wrote:

vote on witnesses & documents wrote:

The manner in which McConnell has managed the impeachment trial has nearly guaranteed Democrats will run U.S. Senate, January, 2021. McConnell will not be able to hide witnesses & documents at the next impeachment trial of your guy win. It is a certainty if your guy wins he will continue to commit illegal acts. Only Senator Sanders can beat him. Senator Sanders is the only one with potential to appeal to young voters.

Are you suggesting that "young voters" would not support any other Democratic nominee against Trump? If so, they are spoiled brats who have no compassion for other people who are not like themselves. In other words, they are no better than Trump supporters.

I am stating Democrats need young people to turn out. Voters over age 40 can be selfish and spoiled and vote for a candidate in primaries who is best for those over age 40 or those over age 40 can vote for Senator Sanders. There is only one candidate polling well with younger voters. Voters over age 40 watch a lot of CNN or Fox or MSNBC. Young voters know those networks are there but young voters are not as apt to be brainwashed by corporate news media. MSNBC hates Senator Sanders. MSNBC is a subsidiary of NBC. Do not think NBC is left wing for one second. They just made a business decision to attempt to get slightly left of center viewers. Those at NBC are afraid of Senator Sanders. The top people at NBC would fit in well with some of current president's billionaire friends. Those over age 40 may see the rationale of Senator Sanders or prepare for a second term of big fat orange fella.

moanswers wrote:

My thread "Iowa caucuses, who you got" was deleted. But it's time to start placing bets! i've got biden FTW with bernie in a close second.

I think it will be interesting to see how it unfolds. A bit disappointing that the Des Moines poll wasn't released this year because of a mistake.

The way I understand it, you have to get 15% of the caucus vote to be considered viable. This will be difficult in many areas because there are 4 legitimate contenders for the "win" and Klobuchar is close to 10% and Yang is around 5%. Who will their voters go to for 2nd choice?

If Yang supporters go to Bernie, Bernie should win. Assuming Buttigieg can get to the 15% mark in most areas, I feel like he will pick up a lot of Klobuchar voters as a 2nd option, which could boost him significantly. In areas where Buttigieg and Klobuchar don't make the threshold, I'm guessing Biden would be 3rd choice as the moderate voice for those people.

So, Buttigieg needs a strong enough showing to get to 15% in districts and keep Klobuchar below 15%, and he will contend for the win.

Bernie needs they Yang Gang, or enough of a split between Biden and Buttigieg to win.

Warren has no chance at the win, but is solidly in the top 4.

Biden would like to see Buttigieg and Klobuchar just barely miss the 15% threshold and he would win.

So, to narrow that down, a lot hinges on Buttigieg's first round support. If it's good, it's a Buttigieg-Bernie battle. If it's bad, it's a Bernie-Biden battle.

My preference for who the nominee should be, in order are:

1) Pete Buttigieg

2) Bernie Sanders

3) Elizabeth Warren

4) Joe Biden

I'll definitely vote for Sanders if he absolves all student debt for STEM majors.

Trump wrote:

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Yo, Trump.

You're like half the posts in the thread.

Nothing better to do than troll a democratic thread on a running website? Think about that for a hot second, hahahaha. Get a life dude LOL.

So people over 40 are willing to vote for any Democratic nominee, because they think beating Trump is the most important thing. Young people only vote for Bernie, and couldn't care less if it is between Trump and Biden, because they are so pissed off at the MSM and Dem establishment. And the first group is more selfish than the second? Yeah, that makes perfect sense.

I'm definitely against student loan forgiveness, but I would support a government program that refinanced all loans at a reasonable rate. Say 3% or something. I also would support a program that loosened the requirements for discharging student loans in bankruptcy. If things are really so bad that you can't afford to pay off your student loans, just declare bankruptcy, learn your lesson, and pay the penalty of having crap credit for 7-10 years.

Both of those things seem vastly superior to just forgiving student loan debt. I honestly haven't heard a rational argument in favor of forgiving student debt.

Heck, I'd even be in favor of some kind of program where you perform community service and earn $100/hr off your student debt over some ridiculous blank check, like Sanders and Warren are proposing.

Young woman wrote:

My preference for who the nominee should be, in order are:

1) Pete Buttigieg

2) Bernie Sanders

3) Elizabeth Warren

4) Joe Biden

Mine:

1. Buttigieg

2. Klobochur

3. Biden

4. Yang