Donavan Brazier entered in 1500

Brazier facts wrote:

DC Wonk wrote:

Brazier is fit, but he’s fit for the 800. I’d be very surprised and impressed if he breaks 3:40. But if the race is paced well for him, who knows? He will hang out in the back like he always does and probably try to run a fast final quarter.

Brazier is mostly a front runner. He is definitely not hang back guy at all.

Brazier may be a fronter runner if first 800m is passed in 1:58 or slower.

jklj;kljljl wrote:

His PR is 3:59, so to expect anything better than 3:40 would be a stretch.

For the mile his PR is 3:59 indoors from years ago. Is it really a stretch? Seems very reasonable. He’s run 46.00 400 split and 1:43 a couple times. 3:40 is within reach - no stretch.

I wouldn't be surprised if he won. Brazier is crazy talented. I think he's going to shock some people. If it goes out too slow, his kick is dangerous. I think he's good for 3:35.

I predict 3:38.19

I predict Jenkins will crush him, 3:32 to 3:39.

it doesn't matter wrote:

I predict Jenkins will crush him, 3:32 to 3:39.

That will not happen.

Not much information wrote:

What race is this and when will it be?

walter j wrote:

Sunset Meet, July 9th, evening.

Thank you.

He run under 340 with that group . Not quite sure how much under though . I ll say 338 high

Brazier facts wrote:

St Germain wrote:

The 3:33-3:34 predictions are a long LONG shot for a domestic race against mid-high 3:30s competition. I don't doubt that Brazier has Wheating-esque ability to succeed at the 1500m, potentially in dramatic fashion, but I dke this.oubt it would happen in a race li

And for reference, Symmonds, who was arguably more well-rounded in the early part of his career, managed 3:36/3:56i bests, with a 1:42.95 PR.

Symmonds more well-rounded? I think you guys are seriously underestimating how impressive Brazier's untrained XC races were in HS. He just hasn't run any longer race since. Mind you, he split 45.9r that spring in HS -- so he was able to have speed and endurance at the same time.

Ha! you said it yourself - "he just hasn't run any longer race since." That was over four years ago, and hence the entire narrative driving this thread: He put himself out there for longer races as a pro.

And yes, Symmonds was more well-rounded and certainly at this age. When we wrapped up at Willamette, he'd run XC, Indoor and Outdoor with 1500's for a few years.

I don't doubt Brazier's ability or potential, but I don't expect a popping result in two weeks. Maybe in a few years, a la KRUMMMM.

1. Blankenship 3:35.3

2. Hunter 3:35.5

3. Brazier 3:36.0

4. O’Hare 3:36.3

5. Willis 3:36.5

Just stop. The guy is running a 1500 and someone enters him while he’s running? Disgusting.

Since you have no idea how hard they're going to run this, you can't predict times, although a lot of these American 1500s with good runners tend to go mid 3:30s. But I am quite sure that Brazier will be in the mix for the win at any pace, and I think that his potential in this event is very, very high. David Krummenacker ran 1:43 high and 3:31.96 in one try; Kaki ran 1:42/3:31; Symmonds ran 1:42.95/3:34.

The real story here is Mac Fleet.

How does he still get into races? And who is paying him?

Flagstaff201 wrote:

The real story here is Mac Fleet.

How does he still get into races? And who is paying him?

Who?

zxcvzvxc wrote:

Since you have no idea how hard they're going to run this, you can't predict times, although a lot of these American 1500s with good runners tend to go mid 3:30s. But I am quite sure that Brazier will be in the mix for the win at any pace, and I think that his potential in this event is very, very high. David Krummenacker ran 1:43 high and 3:31.96 in one try; Kaki ran 1:42/3:31; Symmonds ran 1:42.95/3:34.

IAAF currently lists 136 outdoor sub-1:44 800m men. Most of the sub-1:44 800m men never broke 3:35 1500m and some never broke 3:45 1500m. A fast 800m is weakly correlated with a fast 1500m.

it doesn't matter wrote:

I predict Jenkins will crush him, 3:32 to 3:39.

Brazier will hit 3:39 - 40 if there's a fast pace. He'll eventually run faster, 3:33 or thereabouts. He's not a miler, and comparing what he did in HS to things today is ridiculous. He was simply a better runner than most kids so it's no surprise he could do alright in cross against HS competition. David Mack was running well in cross as a HS senior 40 years ago, and he was definitely not a distance runner (here come the bank robber jokes). Everyone needs to relax.

Flagstaff201 wrote:

The real story here is Mac Fleet.

How does he still get into races? And who is paying him?

For sure. He had some struggles in 2018, but ran 3:40 in Portland a few weeks ago - fastest time in 24 months. His PR's put him on the back half of our B-list 1500m guys. I'd love to see him bounce back, but I'm also surprised to see him get on this start list.

I guess a 2x NCAA champ still holds water!

Bumping this thread with the meet less than a day away. The men’s 1500 is definitely a highlight, but I’m also interested in seeing Nikki Hiltz in the 1500 and Lawi in the 5,000. Hiltz is breaking through this year and my spidey senses are telling me she’ll get another nice PR. If Lawi is having a resurgence he’s as good a bet to make the U.S. 5k team as anyone except Chelimo. Rowbury in the 5,000 as well.

Mom’s Basement Dweller wrote:

1. Sub 3:30

2. 3:30-3:32

3. 3:32-3:35

4. 3:35-3:37

6. 3:37-3:40

7. 3:40-3:43

8. 3:43-3:45

1, 2, 3 is world champion 1500m potential

4, 5, 6 is excellent fitness for world class 800m specialist

7, 8 good fitness for world class 800m specialist

This truly shows you are a clueless basement dweller with unrealistic expectations for one of the top 800m runners in the world rn.