You need to run 20 milers every weekend until it's time to taper. Your fitness is fine for sub-3, but your long runs are woefully insufficient. Oh, and I would finish a few of these 20 milers with the last 5 miles at sub-6:50 pace.
You need to run 20 milers every weekend until it's time to taper. Your fitness is fine for sub-3, but your long runs are woefully insufficient. Oh, and I would finish a few of these 20 milers with the last 5 miles at sub-6:50 pace.
Yeah goal was to do more of these. Had 2 planned but sickness spoiled one. Next buildup aiming for 4-5.
2:37 guy wrote:
You need to run 20 milers every weekend until it's time to taper. Your fitness is fine for sub-3, but your long runs are woefully insufficient. Oh, and I would finish a few of these 20 milers with the last 5 miles at sub-6:50 pace.
Definitely. This is what I really drove me when my legs were just useless towards the end. If I could survive it and put a 3:05 type time out there, I knew it’d give me a lot of confidence that with more long runs, tempos/workouts and better race-day stuff a BQ is going to happen. If I’d run a 3:10+ it would’ve been very discouraging even with the extenuating factors.
left it on the training course wrote:
3:05 is still a quite good time and in line with what I thought you might run. I hope you are indeed pleased and with a good training cycle I am convinced you can smash 3 next time.
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
Figure I can use this as motivation on race-day if everyone thinks I can't.
Background: Ran a negative-split 1:24 half on a fast course with pretty limited training (~3 runs per week, no workouts ~ just steady running, biggest long run was 8.5 miles). Thought a 1:35 would be a good showing, so was quite surprised when I was running 6:20s mid-way. I completely run by feel, so it was a cold day and I warmed up and just started passing people. Was a miler and 800 guy when I was younger.
Compared to that, I've done a lot more in the marathon buildup after reading the boards on this topic as I'm now at 5-6 runs per week (averaging 6.5+ miles on non-long runs) and have hit a few long runs of over 14 miles (run at pace of 6:55-7:10 in Central Park Bridle + 6 miles loop). When I don't run, I either do a pretty intense cycling workout, basketball or lift. I'm 6 weeks out so I might toss in a 16-17 miler the next couple ones before scaling back. Have done a few workouts but nothing too intense ~ typically 3-5 repeat 1000s with 2 min jog rest. Has been a very healthy buildup only interrupted by a pre-planned ski trip last week (got some running in but it was lower than most weeks).
Do I have a shot or will I hit a wall in the second half due to not being up more in the 60-80 mpw range with more tempos, intervals and longer runs?
I ran 2:57-mid on a flat course off of 50 mpw with a few 20 milers in there and a half PR of 1:26-high. On a good day, with good conditions, or a flat course it’s possible for you. Good luck.
Thanks man obviously a bummer yesterday didn’t work out goal time-wise for a multitude of reasons, but I know I was close with a ton of things going against me on the day. Going to boost the training and if I do this race/another one sooner gonna lock down all the logistics so I start at the right time and settle in properly.
Close bro, you’re close wrote:
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
Figure I can use this as motivation on race-day if everyone thinks I can't.
Background: Ran a negative-split 1:24 half on a fast course with pretty limited training (~3 runs per week, no workouts ~ just steady running, biggest long run was 8.5 miles). Thought a 1:35 would be a good showing, so was quite surprised when I was running 6:20s mid-way. I completely run by feel, so it was a cold day and I warmed up and just started passing people. Was a miler and 800 guy when I was younger.
Compared to that, I've done a lot more in the marathon buildup after reading the boards on this topic as I'm now at 5-6 runs per week (averaging 6.5+ miles on non-long runs) and have hit a few long runs of over 14 miles (run at pace of 6:55-7:10 in Central Park Bridle + 6 miles loop). When I don't run, I either do a pretty intense cycling workout, basketball or lift. I'm 6 weeks out so I might toss in a 16-17 miler the next couple ones before scaling back. Have done a few workouts but nothing too intense ~ typically 3-5 repeat 1000s with 2 min jog rest. Has been a very healthy buildup only interrupted by a pre-planned ski trip last week (got some running in but it was lower than most weeks).
Do I have a shot or will I hit a wall in the second half due to not being up more in the 60-80 mpw range with more tempos, intervals and longer runs?
I ran 2:57-mid on a flat course off of 50 mpw with a few 20 milers in there and a half PR of 1:26-high. On a good day, with good conditions, or a flat course it’s possible for you. Good luck.
OP, I can relate here. I went from a 1:23:59 half to a 2:56 marathon 6 months later but here are the major differences:
- it was my 4th marathon
- i averaged 60 mpw over 20 weeks
- i ran few long runs, but 3 of 18-20 miles (10 Easy + 10 MP)
- the marathon course was flatter than the half
- did I mention 6 months had passed?
In your case it is possible based on your fitness, but you do want to be conservative. I suck at the marathon and I am better at shorter distances. If you are talented for the long stuff, you do have a shot but keep in mind the marathon is a beast (my previous PR was 3:16 on 50 mpw with a 1:27 half PR at the time).
If you run 3:05ish in your first one based on your fitness you should be very happy and proud. If you run sub 3 then MAJOR props! Hope you have a good race.
Sub18Hopeful wrote:
OP, I can relate here. I went from a 1:23:59 half to a 2:56 marathon 6 months later but here are the major differences:
- it was my 4th marathon
- i averaged 60 mpw over 20 weeks
- i ran few long runs, but 3 of 18-20 miles (10 Easy + 10 MP)
- the marathon course was flatter than the half
- did I mention 6 months had passed?
In your case it is possible based on your fitness, but you do want to be conservative. I suck at the marathon and I am better at shorter distances. If you are talented for the long stuff, you do have a shot but keep in mind the marathon is a beast (my previous PR was 3:16 on 50 mpw with a 1:27 half PR at the time).
If you run 3:05ish in your first one based on your fitness you should be very happy and proud. If you run sub 3 then MAJOR props! Hope you have a good race.
Crap I didn't realize you actually ran already (OPs never report back! thanks for doing it).
Well my 3:05 was spot on. CONGRATS! You are very talented and with more regular mileage you've got not only sub 3 in you but even much better. Hope you know you did well.
Thanks so much, man! I came to terms with the fact that 3:00 was a long-shot rather quickly once I was bogged in with the 3:40 pace group, and knew this thing was going to be a solo survival effort, and not the paced effort I'd expected. For someone who was an 800/1500 runner the accomplishment is pretty good. Another thing I didn't even mention is I ran this thing in some Asics trainers (Cumulus so not crazy heavy at 10 oz., but still). Didn't plan it well, but next time I will run in racing shoes like I did for my half. So just another thing that will be different. Now 3 days later, my legs are still trashed/thrashed, but I think I can start light exercise Friday and maybe even a run next week. In the aftermath, I ruled out a Fall HM/Marathon, but who knows I think post-July 4 I might get the itch and more motivation. Philly/Bay State Marathon are solid options for me. I could/should join a run club, get on a real plan, all those things...
Sub18Hopeful wrote:
Sub18Hopeful wrote:
OP, I can relate here. I went from a 1:23:59 half to a 2:56 marathon 6 months later but here are the major differences:
- it was my 4th marathon
- i averaged 60 mpw over 20 weeks
- i ran few long runs, but 3 of 18-20 miles (10 Easy + 10 MP)
- the marathon course was flatter than the half
- did I mention 6 months had passed?
In your case it is possible based on your fitness, but you do want to be conservative. I suck at the marathon and I am better at shorter distances. If you are talented for the long stuff, you do have a shot but keep in mind the marathon is a beast (my previous PR was 3:16 on 50 mpw with a 1:27 half PR at the time).
If you run 3:05ish in your first one based on your fitness you should be very happy and proud. If you run sub 3 then MAJOR props! Hope you have a good race.
Crap I didn't realize you actually ran already (OPs never report back! thanks for doing it).
Well my 3:05 was spot on. CONGRATS! You are very talented and with more regular mileage you've got not only sub 3 in you but even much better. Hope you know you did well.
I ran my marathon in PR in Asics GT 2000 trainers so I hear you! Probably some fat to shave off here too.
You sound very motivated which is great, especially after a massive achievement. Give yourself some time to heal (don't come back too fast too soon, 26.2 really does beat up your body). Start moving around for sure, but be careful with any real mileage until soreness is gone. You won't lose much fitness even if you take 2, 3, 4 weeks off running. Listen to your body and any ache.
I ran the Philly marathon, amazing course and my PR. Considering the half perhaps this year, who knows! On joining a club it really depends on the type of runner you are, but perhaps worth it! Best of luck and report back. You've got some talent and dedication and will do great!
Thanks! Today is the first day my legs don't feel so sore that I'm not dreading stairs or the idea of exercise. I will do some light biking Friday I think. Maybe a run next Monday/Tuesday. For the club aspect, mostly just for people to do workouts with, track access, and to do some long runs with possibly. I'm pretty good training solo tbh, but I think for workouts and controlling my pace on long runs it could be good.
Sub18Hopeful wrote:
I ran my marathon in PR in Asics GT 2000 trainers so I hear you! Probably some fat to shave off here too.
You sound very motivated which is great, especially after a massive achievement. Give yourself some time to heal (don't come back too fast too soon, 26.2 really does beat up your body). Start moving around for sure, but be careful with any real mileage until soreness is gone. You won't lose much fitness even if you take 2, 3, 4 weeks off running. Listen to your body and any ache.
I ran the Philly marathon, amazing course and my PR. Considering the half perhaps this year, who knows! On joining a club it really depends on the type of runner you are, but perhaps worth it! Best of luck and report back. You've got some talent and dedication and will do great!