Don't LRers get tired of the "Is he cheating threads". Kjelcha is fast and he is an East-African, but that is not proof of cheating. People can believe all of them cheat or assume he is clean unless he tests positive for something. I prefer the latter as thinking everyone is cheating would ruin the sport for me.
SDSU Aztec wrote:
Don't LRers get tired of the "Is he cheating threads". Kjelcha is fast and he is an East-African, but that is not proof of cheating. People can believe all of them cheat or assume he is clean unless he tests positive for something. I prefer the latter as thinking everyone is cheating would ruin the sport for me.
I`m with you in this matter. Kejelcha is the same age as my Kenyan runner Meshack Letim , and they are both super talented! They met on the track in Kenya when age 15-16 and they were very close in races. Runners with this kind of super talent don`t have to dope themselves to reach world class results.
Doped, to the gills.
Ouray Chalet wrote:
Bob Washington wrote:
Well, yeah, like we all know his crazy 7:28 last year and a couple years back his indoor 3k title, but running a 2:18 1k and then a mile in 3:52 indoors within an hour is a bit more impressive in my opinion, especially in early January and his rust buster meet.
He had more than just that 7:28 last year. He had a 3:32 and 12:46 and 59:17 half marathon with that 7:28 in a 30 day period. That's about as impressive as it gets. His workouts in St Moritz were truly incredible.
That is impressive but not about as impressive as it gets. Henry Rono set 4 world record in 81 days. THAT is about as impressive as it gets.
SDSU Aztec wrote:
Don't LRers get tired of the "Is he cheating threads". Kjelcha is fast and he is an East-African, but that is not proof of cheating. People can believe all of them cheat or assume he is clean unless he tests positive for something. I prefer the latter as thinking everyone is cheating would ruin the sport for me.
Just two examples of runners around his level doping:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Sa%C3%AFdi-Siefhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathew_KisorioWhy does it matter? Well tell that to the clean athletes who get cheated out of what is rightly theirs. If you want to say, " well everyone is doing it so it's not cheating.", well than let's just legalise all drugs for competition. Perhaps having coked up runners will drive up veiwership of athletic events and make running popular to the masses.
SAlly V wrote:
Ouray Chalet wrote:
He had more than just that 7:28 last year. He had a 3:32 and 12:46 and 59:17 half marathon with that 7:28 in a 30 day period. That's about as impressive as it gets. His workouts in St Moritz were truly incredible.
That is impressive but not about as impressive as it gets. Henry Rono set 4 world record in 81 days. THAT is about as impressive as it gets.
And at least Rono was most likely clean. Probably the last record holder at those distances being clean.
Bob Washington wrote:
The man went 2:18 for 1k then literally less than an hour later ran a 3:52 mile. He looked so smooth too. So, the question is, is he gonna drop something like a sub 3:50 mile and have a sub 12:50 5k from last season off of talent and hard work or is he all over that EPO?
If he was doping he would've stayed in East Africa where he could dope all he wants and not worry about it. The guy is insanely talented - probably the most gifted runner in the world from 1K to 5K at the moment. Now he has a real coach with real training and unlimited Nike resources at his disposal - we're likely just seeing the tip of the iceberg as to what he'll do.
Has he doped in the past? Well of course he's Ethiopian, so there's probably a 50-60% chance that he has.
Overestimating Double wrote:
I wouldn't necessarily say a 2:18 with a 3:52 about an hour later is better than a 7:28 3k. At that level you recover very quickly after a big race, his breathing was probably fine 2-3 minutes after the 1k. And it wasn't a long enough race to completely trash his muscles and energy. That 7:28 3k was like a 4:03 1600 and then on pace for a 3:57 mile with zero minute rest.
This is along the lines of what I was going to say. For a guy of this talent, coming back from a 1k with an hour's rest does not take that much out of him. These guys have insane recovery abilities. The 1k was nothing more than a workout repeat for him.
Rono probably did it clean wrote:
SAlly V wrote:
That is impressive but not about as impressive as it gets. Henry Rono set 4 world record in 81 days. THAT is about as impressive as it gets.
And at least Rono was most likely clean. Probably the last record holder at those distances being clean.
There are no cheater and non-cheater divisions so speculation on "clean" WRs is impossible. There should be a "if he didn't cheat" WR. It's doubtful that Bekele being over a minute faster than Rono in the 10000 can be entirely attributed to PEDs.
This is a good performance, but let's not go overboard here. What Ed Cheserek did last year was more impressive, and Kejelcha is the more talented guy.
sub sub elite local hobby jogger wrote:
Overestimating Double wrote:
I wouldn't necessarily say a 2:18 with a 3:52 about an hour later is better than a 7:28 3k. At that level you recover very quickly after a big race, his breathing was probably fine 2-3 minutes after the 1k. And it wasn't a long enough race to completely trash his muscles and energy. That 7:28 3k was like a 4:03 1600 and then on pace for a 3:57 mile with zero minute rest.
This is along the lines of what I was going to say. For a guy of this talent, coming back from a 1k with an hour's rest does not take that much out of him. These guys have insane recovery abilities. The 1k was nothing more than a workout repeat for him.
Well, apparently he split 1:48 in his 1k for 800. That’s a tad more than a workout pace. I like yomif and am not saying he is cheating, just saying that with a performance like that and his incredible range it’s hard to believe that someone can do all of that and be clean. Especially since like many of you said he is East African and has probably doped before, then why would he keep improving so much. Goes from running good times and doping to running way better times and clean with just a few years in between???
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
This is a good performance, but let's not go overboard here. What Ed Cheserek did last year was more impressive, and Kejelcha is the more talented guy.
Ed Che’s ran 3:49 in a time trial sort of race with a couple pacers there for just him. Yomif went 2:18 then 3:52 (granted it was on an oversized track), and yomif used this meet as a rustbuster and was even a late entry so obviously not looking to run insane times at that meet months out
SAlly V wrote:
Ouray Chalet wrote:
He had more than just that 7:28 last year. He had a 3:32 and 12:46 and 59:17 half marathon with that 7:28 in a 30 day period. That's about as impressive as it gets. His workouts in St Moritz were truly incredible.
That is impressive but not about as impressive as it gets. Henry Rono set 4 world record in 81 days. THAT is about as impressive as it gets.
Yes, that was quite a streak for Rono.
There's no reason why Kejelcha is any more likely to be doping than any American athlete. He trains with NOP now. Subject to full USADA restrictions.
To condemn him as a doper is to condemn the US system as unable to prevent doping any more than East Africa
ex-runner wrote:
There's no reason why Kejelcha is any more likely to be doping than any American athlete. He trains with NOP now. Subject to full USADA restrictions.
To condemn him as a doper is to condemn the US system as unable to prevent doping any more than East Africa
Not like there is something called corruption or been cases (Carl Lewis) of officials in the US covering up cases of doping.
SUPERIOR COACH JS wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
Don't LRers get tired of the "Is he cheating threads". Kjelcha is fast and he is an East-African, but that is not proof of cheating. People can believe all of them cheat or assume he is clean unless he tests positive for something. I prefer the latter as thinking everyone is cheating would ruin the sport for me.
I`m with you in this matter. Kejelcha is the same age as my Kenyan runner Meshack Letim , and they are both super talented! They met on the track in Kenya when age 15-16 and they were very close in races. Runners with this kind of super talent don`t have to dope themselves to reach world class results.
the epo would have no effect anyway ,canova has established that it would make no difference
ex-runner wrote:
There's no reason why Kejelcha is any more likely to be doping than any American athlete. He trains with NOP now. Subject to full USADA restrictions.
To condemn him as a doper is to condemn the US system as unable to prevent doping any more than East Africa
That’s taking one example and making an assumption that because one gets away with it then the whole organization is bad and can’t stop it as much as some other organization. Crime happens in the US, and crime happens in other places, just because r happens in two places doesn’t mean both are equally bad. The other one may be way worse than the US. Saying that, I do think that some US athletes are doping but I think a lot more athletes are doping in east Africa.
ex-runner wrote:
There's no reason why Kejelcha is any more likely to be doping than any American athlete. He trains with NOP now.
The irony of these back-to-back statements is rich!
Yomif is the real deal and been super strong since a junior. But the US should not worry about it. Lets see if we can get anybody under 13:20 this year other than Paul Chelimo. Probably a long shot.
olyrun wrote:
Yomif is the real deal and been super strong since a junior. But the US should not worry about it. Lets see if we can get anybody under 13:20 this year other than Paul Chelimo. Probably a long shot.
Leonard Korir, Garrett Heath, Lopez Lomong, Ben True, just to name a few can go sub 13:20 this year.